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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9773530" data-attributes="member: 7026594">Agreed, and I expanded on that in an immediate edit.Eh. Sexual violence as perpetrated is not quite the same thing as how common or accepted the presentation of it in media is.  James Bond novels were still common and uncontroversial light reading when I was a kid.  Fictional heroes (not just villains) "having their way" with protesting women was still pretty mainstream in some material.  My observations of TV, movies and printed media definitely included some shifting from the 70s to 80s.  And more into the 90s. We know there were substantial changes in some related cultural mores around that period.  For example, the suicide rate among married women dropping once no-fault divorce came in (in most US states between '71-'77, though with outliers).As far as nothing about the game, well, there wasn't really sexual violence in the books, but there were certainly more tangible signs of sexism and misogyny which faded substantially between '74 and the mid 80s.  Whether the semi-nude pinup style women in the OD&D books, the seduction abilities Lakofka suggested for female characters in a Dragon article, Gygax declaring himself a proud sexist in a wargaming periodical, or the editors of Dragon condescending to and brushing off complaints from women readers in that period.  By the Satanic Panic years you had TSR adopting a much more kid-centered editorial policy, which, while it still didn't much crimp, say, Clyde Caldwell's quasi-pinup portrayals of women, did mean that female characters were definitely not put in SA-style situations.No, that definitely wasn't my intended point or I believe that of anyone in the prior discussion.  Sexism and misbehavior toward female gamers was far too common for decades after Fine's observations.</blockquote>

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