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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9791988" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>My brother has been trying to get us to play this for ages, hoping we can in January maybe.</p><p></p><p>Reading-wise I've recently read finished two extremely good books, and am most of the way through a pretty interesting one.</p><p></p><p>So I read <strong>The Tainted Cup</strong> and <strong>A Drop of Corruption</strong> by <strong>Robert Jackson Bennett</strong>. Now I'm not previously a fan of Bennett. I didn't really enjoy or even really respect Foundryside. It was clever but it felt a bit hollow. I never read any of his other books as a result.</p><p></p><p>However, The Tainted Cup won the Hugo, and that raised an eyebrow for me, so I looked into reviews and it sounded like there was a lot of praise.</p><p></p><p>Was that praise justified? In my opinion - absolutely it was.</p><p></p><p>Everything about The Tainted Cup is pretty great for my money. I liked the characters a lot - sure it's Sherlock and Watson kinda, but that dynamic sticks around because it's a very good dynamic for mystery novels, and Dinios Kol (our 'Watson' and perspective character) is a pretty interesting and I find, relatable, guy. The world-building is very strong - a biohacking empire driven to the brink by the need to protect itself from a sort of Pacific Rim (the movie) situation, and it's very consistent and clearly deeply considered. The unusual abilities characters have are all from this bioware/biohacking stuff, and tend to pretty messed-up and with significant downsides. The mystery in The Tainted Cup was extremely well-executed - I think maybe borderline a little too obvious but I didn't guess the whole plot instantly or anything, I was just ahead of the characters most of the time, which I think often happens in a good mystery novel. Every kind of scene is written very well, as well, which is unusual in my experience, and there's a real continuous tension and feeling of oppression appropriate to the setting. It's never comfortable or safe and I mean that in a very complementary way.</p><p></p><p>A Drop of Corruption I think is maybe an A-grade to the S-grade of The Tainted Cup. It has moments where it's really profoundly strange and entrancing, as well as some good character growth. The mystery is more complex and I think a little less engaging because it's less human (also as soon as a certain character appears you pretty much know what's going on), but the juxtaposition of the wierd bio-empire with a more traditional-seeming fantasy setting is quite effective, and I appreciate the focus on serfdom situations and how oppressive those are (sometime a lot of fantasy sort of plasters over).</p><p></p><p>I'm now most of the way through <strong>The Raven Scholar</strong>, by <strong>Antonia Hodgson</strong> which, initially, seems like it's just going to be some YA nonsense where people are put into silly themed/stereotyped factions at majority and then some of them have to do a competition for a big prize (yawn), and like, technically that kind of does happen, but by that point, the book has book something extremely different, a first a murder-mystery and then a very different kind of thriller, and the main character is a 34-year-old woman of a not very fantasy-lead-esque kind. I had quite a lot of criticism for this for the excessive amount of anachronism (particularly re: food & clothes, like, there's no way these people have clothing sizes, hell people that rich <em>now</em> don't use sized clothing, come on), and the weird isolation the empire exists in seems hard-to-explain, but as the book goes on you do gradually see a lot of the bland claims characters make kind of unravelling or being nuanced, and thus get some idea that there might be some unreliable-ness to the claims characters make (and those of the narrator, who isn't truly omniscient, merely present in quite a few places at once).</p><p></p><p>Also and importantly, the mysteries and plot twists in The Raven Scholar, are I would say extremely well-executed, and I guessed wrong a bunch of times, absolutely walked into traps of "obvious assumption" and thinking tropes would play out trope-ily. And I respect and like this a lot, because in cases, if I hadn't been making assumptions I could potentially have guessed what was actually going on - like, most/all of the clues were there. I made a lot of the same assumptions the protagonist did too.</p><p></p><p>I'm still about 20% from the end and there is one thing I find completely implausible but I suspect what I'm actually seeing is that the plan I'd been assuming some of the antagonists had is not, in fact, their plan, and that's why it doesn't make sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9791988, member: 18"] My brother has been trying to get us to play this for ages, hoping we can in January maybe. Reading-wise I've recently read finished two extremely good books, and am most of the way through a pretty interesting one. So I read [B]The Tainted Cup[/B] and [B]A Drop of Corruption[/B] by [B]Robert Jackson Bennett[/B]. Now I'm not previously a fan of Bennett. I didn't really enjoy or even really respect Foundryside. It was clever but it felt a bit hollow. I never read any of his other books as a result. However, The Tainted Cup won the Hugo, and that raised an eyebrow for me, so I looked into reviews and it sounded like there was a lot of praise. Was that praise justified? In my opinion - absolutely it was. Everything about The Tainted Cup is pretty great for my money. I liked the characters a lot - sure it's Sherlock and Watson kinda, but that dynamic sticks around because it's a very good dynamic for mystery novels, and Dinios Kol (our 'Watson' and perspective character) is a pretty interesting and I find, relatable, guy. The world-building is very strong - a biohacking empire driven to the brink by the need to protect itself from a sort of Pacific Rim (the movie) situation, and it's very consistent and clearly deeply considered. The unusual abilities characters have are all from this bioware/biohacking stuff, and tend to pretty messed-up and with significant downsides. The mystery in The Tainted Cup was extremely well-executed - I think maybe borderline a little too obvious but I didn't guess the whole plot instantly or anything, I was just ahead of the characters most of the time, which I think often happens in a good mystery novel. Every kind of scene is written very well, as well, which is unusual in my experience, and there's a real continuous tension and feeling of oppression appropriate to the setting. It's never comfortable or safe and I mean that in a very complementary way. A Drop of Corruption I think is maybe an A-grade to the S-grade of The Tainted Cup. It has moments where it's really profoundly strange and entrancing, as well as some good character growth. The mystery is more complex and I think a little less engaging because it's less human (also as soon as a certain character appears you pretty much know what's going on), but the juxtaposition of the wierd bio-empire with a more traditional-seeming fantasy setting is quite effective, and I appreciate the focus on serfdom situations and how oppressive those are (sometime a lot of fantasy sort of plasters over). I'm now most of the way through [B]The Raven Scholar[/B], by [B]Antonia Hodgson[/B] which, initially, seems like it's just going to be some YA nonsense where people are put into silly themed/stereotyped factions at majority and then some of them have to do a competition for a big prize (yawn), and like, technically that kind of does happen, but by that point, the book has book something extremely different, a first a murder-mystery and then a very different kind of thriller, and the main character is a 34-year-old woman of a not very fantasy-lead-esque kind. I had quite a lot of criticism for this for the excessive amount of anachronism (particularly re: food & clothes, like, there's no way these people have clothing sizes, hell people that rich [I]now[/I] don't use sized clothing, come on), and the weird isolation the empire exists in seems hard-to-explain, but as the book goes on you do gradually see a lot of the bland claims characters make kind of unravelling or being nuanced, and thus get some idea that there might be some unreliable-ness to the claims characters make (and those of the narrator, who isn't truly omniscient, merely present in quite a few places at once). Also and importantly, the mysteries and plot twists in The Raven Scholar, are I would say extremely well-executed, and I guessed wrong a bunch of times, absolutely walked into traps of "obvious assumption" and thinking tropes would play out trope-ily. And I respect and like this a lot, because in cases, if I hadn't been making assumptions I could potentially have guessed what was actually going on - like, most/all of the clues were there. I made a lot of the same assumptions the protagonist did too. I'm still about 20% from the end and there is one thing I find completely implausible but I suspect what I'm actually seeing is that the plan I'd been assuming some of the antagonists had is not, in fact, their plan, and that's why it doesn't make sense. [/QUOTE]
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