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<blockquote data-quote="Kramodlog" data-source="post: 7068556" data-attributes="member: 55961"><p>It doesn't say "genocide is doubleplusgood" either. It is all in the subtext. </p><p></p><p>True, but I did say it was nuance. </p><p></p><p>Exept he didn't really like anyone on Earth except his sister and she comes with him. He is celibrated by most of humanity. He was indirectly found not guilty of genocide. He becomes a governor and then a judge of the new colony. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure this as anything to do with genocide being poopie or doubleplusgood. </p><p></p><p>I do not remember that it did.</p><p></p><p>That is the most problematic piece of the novel. It makes the genocide "less bad". Less of a genocide. They even forgive him. It is the washing of Ender's sins. It is a feel good ending (as much as it can be in that sort of novel). </p><p></p><p>It made me think of Ender's mom citing the Bible in the novel. She talks about Jesus and how he comes to save humanity of it's sins and how he also comes with a sword. That is Ender right there. </p><p></p><p>He already knew that. When he goes to Eros and Rackham shows him the vids of the Formics killing people there Ender realize they didn't undertand that humans were intelligent beings. He continued on with his training to kill the Formics. </p><p></p><p>And boom. the end justidy the means. It is just all self-defense. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That makes his actions less bad? In the book, and you just said so above, that not knowing isn't a excuse. The Formics' ignorance is not an excuse, but Ender's is?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm talking about the message contained in <em>Ender's Game</em>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I think your thinking of the movie. It isn't clear what happens to him in the book. He goes to sleep and later gets medical attention. He was exhausted and stressed out, but it isn't explained clearly what happens to him.</p><p></p><p>He seems pretty well after that. Regretful, certainly. Suffering from PTSD? Not so sure. Ender is a portrayed as a ubermensch in the book. He seems super resilient. Graff says he'll get over it. </p><p></p><p>Not in the novel. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it a tragedy? It all seems to go great for humanity thanks to the genocide. And all the protagonists and antagonists of the novels. Even the Formics aren't really exterminated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kramodlog, post: 7068556, member: 55961"] It doesn't say "genocide is doubleplusgood" either. It is all in the subtext. True, but I did say it was nuance. Exept he didn't really like anyone on Earth except his sister and she comes with him. He is celibrated by most of humanity. He was indirectly found not guilty of genocide. He becomes a governor and then a judge of the new colony. I'm not sure this as anything to do with genocide being poopie or doubleplusgood. I do not remember that it did. That is the most problematic piece of the novel. It makes the genocide "less bad". Less of a genocide. They even forgive him. It is the washing of Ender's sins. It is a feel good ending (as much as it can be in that sort of novel). It made me think of Ender's mom citing the Bible in the novel. She talks about Jesus and how he comes to save humanity of it's sins and how he also comes with a sword. That is Ender right there. He already knew that. When he goes to Eros and Rackham shows him the vids of the Formics killing people there Ender realize they didn't undertand that humans were intelligent beings. He continued on with his training to kill the Formics. And boom. the end justidy the means. It is just all self-defense. That makes his actions less bad? In the book, and you just said so above, that not knowing isn't a excuse. The Formics' ignorance is not an excuse, but Ender's is? I'm talking about the message contained in [I]Ender's Game[/I]. I think your thinking of the movie. It isn't clear what happens to him in the book. He goes to sleep and later gets medical attention. He was exhausted and stressed out, but it isn't explained clearly what happens to him. He seems pretty well after that. Regretful, certainly. Suffering from PTSD? Not so sure. Ender is a portrayed as a ubermensch in the book. He seems super resilient. Graff says he'll get over it. Not in the novel. Is it a tragedy? It all seems to go great for humanity thanks to the genocide. And all the protagonists and antagonists of the novels. Even the Formics aren't really exterminated. [/QUOTE]
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