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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8329535" data-attributes="member: 6790260">If that were true, why didn't 4e's version of Dark Sun cause a huge riot among the fans? People were quite receptive. Some things did get adapted (e.g. Dragonborn as a second version of Dray), but plenty of extinct races remained extinct, and divine classes were still not available as an option. 4e was the absolute poster child for "everything is core" philosophy, and yet it DID NOT have the very problem you cite. Whereas I have personally and frequently seen the reverse, where if you're a player who wants something without official support, tough luck buddy, nobody's gonna let you have the thing you genuinely just like for its flavor, or because it allows you to realize a combination you think is cool. Doesn't matter if it's better balanced than the core rules, 5e DMs are far more likely than not to not merely reject it but get MAD at you for suggesting it. And the situation isn't better if you're a DM. Damn near every thread I see where someone asks how something should work, one of the first ten replies (often the first three!) is "you're the DM, you decide" (or "ask your DM" followed by "...I am the DM, I'm asking for advice").It is always easier to limit than to expand when it comes to race and (especially) class options. Period. You CANNOT tell me that persuading a player to get on board with your narrower slice of the rules is actually more work than inventing a whole new class. Like, even with 5e classes potentially being pretty simple, I've spent hours and hours trying to get just ONE into a shape that's both a reasonable first approximation of balanced (testing is always needed to know for sure) and that fits the flavor and concept I want, and I'm not even half finished. Are you truly going to claim that one conversation--wherein you literally have veto power and can just say, "if you don't like it, you are not required to play at my table"--is harder than that?If so, I've got a bridge to sell you.</blockquote>

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