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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 5858615" data-attributes="member: 3400">Basically, the price of the bonus (deflection, natural armor, or resistance) gets added to the cost of the ring. The idea behind this came from an attempt to reduce the incentive to ditch more expensive, occasionally useful items in favor of simple bonuses like rings of protection, cloaks of resistance, and amulets of natural armor (3 of the Big 6). If each item in those slots always had at least a +1 bonus, they wouldn't feel the impulse to go with just the bonus because they wouldn't be giving up the opportunity to have a resistance bonus to saves in order to have a bonus to Stealth with an elven cloak. They'd be able to get both.As far as the other thread, I haven't gotten involved in it because I've never really had a problem with thinking +1 weapons were pretty cool to get and have as a PC. And I think PF makes a lot of right moves in handling basic + weapons. If the target has DR #/magic, +1 is sufficient. Pluses 3 and above help overcome a variety of other DRs. I really like that. I think it's a great way to make those higher pluses valuable again without having to resort to DR #/+3 and so on that 3.0 had (and I never liked much back from AD&D days).Is there a particular question about that other thread you have for me? The question you gave me, given the different ideas percolating around the thread, is pretty vague.</blockquote>