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<blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 7401747" data-attributes="member: 6786839"><p>I developed my understanding by playing a character in 4E. If there are ways to play an effective 4E character which don't require strategizing the optimal moment to use my once-per-encounter and daily abilities, via synergies with other abilities (mine and those of teammates), then 4E did a <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> job of explaining those ways to me. Perhaps you can give me a better explanation than 4E did?</p><p></p><p>If the sides of the edition war are "those who tried it" and "those who didn't", then I'm on the former side. I then gave warnings, based on my at-the-table experience, to people on the latter side.</p><p></p><p>It's one of the minor-footnote tragedies of the hobby's history that WotC published 4E. Yes, there were some good elements, and I'm glad those elements are available in 5E. That said, I wish WotC had done enough playtesting, with a wide enough range of D&Ders (including those who aren't MtG enthusiasts), to discover how unpopular 4E would be.</p><p></p><p>The percentage of D&Ders who bought 4E, and a year later were still playing it and expressed high satisfaction with their purchase, compared to, say, spending the same money on pizza or a movie... well, I guess you consider that an adequate percentage, mainly because it includes you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riley37, post: 7401747, member: 6786839"] I developed my understanding by playing a character in 4E. If there are ways to play an effective 4E character which don't require strategizing the optimal moment to use my once-per-encounter and daily abilities, via synergies with other abilities (mine and those of teammates), then 4E did a :):):):):):) job of explaining those ways to me. Perhaps you can give me a better explanation than 4E did? If the sides of the edition war are "those who tried it" and "those who didn't", then I'm on the former side. I then gave warnings, based on my at-the-table experience, to people on the latter side. It's one of the minor-footnote tragedies of the hobby's history that WotC published 4E. Yes, there were some good elements, and I'm glad those elements are available in 5E. That said, I wish WotC had done enough playtesting, with a wide enough range of D&Ders (including those who aren't MtG enthusiasts), to discover how unpopular 4E would be. The percentage of D&Ders who bought 4E, and a year later were still playing it and expressed high satisfaction with their purchase, compared to, say, spending the same money on pizza or a movie... well, I guess you consider that an adequate percentage, mainly because it includes you? [/QUOTE]
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