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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7402230" data-attributes="member: 22779">I think this illustrates my point exactly.&nbsp; There's virtually no difference between hit dice and healing surges.&nbsp; And, no, cleric healing could still affect you when you had no surges left, so, you're mistaken right there.&nbsp; Clerics could &quot;Cure Light Wounds&quot;, for example, which did not burn healing surges.There really is virtually no difference here.&nbsp; The difference is on the class side of things.&nbsp; People tend to forget just how much more healing a 5e party has vs a 3e party.&nbsp; Rangers in 3e didn't get any healing until a minimum 7th level (and then it was a max of 1 cure light per day).&nbsp; Paladins didn't get any spells until 4th (and again, max 1 cure light/day).&nbsp; In 5e there are 4 classes that can't heal on their own (barbarians and the three wizard types).&nbsp; Everyone else can either heal themselves or heal others or both.&nbsp; But, Hit Dice are written differently, so, yup, they're totally different.&nbsp; Amazing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7402230, member: 22779"] I think this illustrates my point exactly. There's virtually no difference between hit dice and healing surges. And, no, cleric healing could still affect you when you had no surges left, so, you're mistaken right there. Clerics could "Cure Light Wounds", for example, which did not burn healing surges. There really is virtually no difference here. The difference is on the class side of things. People tend to forget just how much more healing a 5e party has vs a 3e party. Rangers in 3e didn't get any healing until a minimum 7th level (and then it was a max of 1 cure light per day). Paladins didn't get any spells until 4th (and again, max 1 cure light/day). In 5e there are 4 classes that can't heal on their own (barbarians and the three wizard types). Everyone else can either heal themselves or heal others or both. But, Hit Dice are written differently, so, yup, they're totally different. Amazing. [/QUOTE]

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