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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6271964" data-attributes="member: 2525">Nit picking? Wrong in content by an entire book (which is 50% of the books, or 33% of the books, depending on which game) is significant.  There is nothing picky about that! There was no allusion to another thread in what I was responding to.  You quoted something, it made those two points, you commented directly on those two points.  I don't know what other thread was in your mind at the time, and as you didn't even bother referencing it directly I probably couldn't have known.I don't know enough about 13th Age.  I do know Pathfinder takes two books (you were off by 50%). That's material errors, not nit-picking.  And if it's not material to you, then I guess we have no disagreement because the WOTC products are off by less that 50% in quantity as well.It was always clear, and you're wrong.  You REQUIRE monsters to play Pathfinder, and THEY ARE NOT IN THAT BOOK.I don't think anyone will agree with you that everything needed to play Pathfinder, as that phrase is rationally used, is contained in that one book.  And, if that point is correct (which I think we both know it's not), then you could do the same thing with 5e NPCs.  But, we both know it's silly - Pathfinder takes two books at minimum.  And, because the other book was missing a lot of stuff many GMs need, they put out the GameMastery Guide too.Heck, if your point is correct, you don't need magic items to play either.  In fact, I cannot think of anything anyone's mentioned here (all the optional rules for example) of what should go in a DMG that would make the DMG "necessary" to play the game as you're defining it here under this new very-narrow definition.  So I guess you only need the 5e PHB to play 5e - NPCs using the PC rules for monsters, and no optional rules or magic items. Happy now, or is this silly enough yet?</blockquote>

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