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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DMZ2112" data-source="post: 6273034" data-attributes="member: 78752">No, sorry, if you count D&D3.5, you have to count Essentials.  The crisis of Essentials was precisely that it was /not/ a complete revision.  The rules did not change, but the introduction of new classes constructed in a totally different paradigm while maintaining the expectation of compatibility was at least as disruptive to ongoing campaigns as D&D3.5.  Any dungeon master who ran Encounters at that time will tell you that it dramatically changed the way the game was played and adjudicated, with old players sticking to the PHBs and new players coming in with the Heroes books.  Little effort was put into making the new material "speak" to the old material.I think most home groups probably ignored Essentials, and those few who adopted it probably did so completely, putting aside the older PHBs.  And it's true that if you completely ignored the Essentials core books, you could continue to use later D&D4 supplements with the original core books, and if you converted /entirely/ to Essentials, you could still use older supplements with the new core books.  You couldn't really do that with D&D3.0 and 3.5.But if you tried to (or had to) mix the two presentations of the system at your table, it was painfully obvious that Essentials was not the same old stuff.And if a revision does away with the PHB, as Essentials did?  What then?</blockquote>