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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6279155" data-attributes="member: 92511">I'm glad it was hilarious. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> But the comment was that because many other RPGs do something translates/equates that D&D should as well. That seems to make the "little sheep" comment entirely appropriate.Those are good reasons. I would simply add that a 40 year legacy is not a reason to be dismissed/overlooked.Really? Works perfectly well for me. Maybe you need to reboot or something? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Ah. I see the problem. This has nothing to do with the rules or quality of the rules. It has to do with expectations and traditions for the game we call D&D. Not "rpgs", D&D. All D&Ds are RPGs...Not all RPGs are D&D. Lemme try to explain it out, since i guess it isn't entirely clear.When I go to a fancy steak house [a.k.a. sit down to play D&D] I want a good 'meat n' potatoes' dinner [a.k.a. the bulk of the meal a.k.a. the DMG: game master/referee stuff & PHB: player-relevant stuff]. I want (likely will get) a salad [a.k.a. the MM]. I probably also want a nice drink, maybe some roasted asparagus, perhaps some shrimp scampi "surf" to go with my "turf" [a.k.a. UA, MM2, MotP, setting materials, all supplementary stuff to be added as desired].If I go to a fancy steak house and receive an all-in-one burger with everything on it in paper wrapper/bag and told, "It's still meat n' potatoes. We're just doing it this way now cuz evvvveryone else does it this way." Then I am not getting the fancy steak house meal I wanted, am I?"But it's easier." Yeah, it is. Eating a burger with my hands is easier than using a knife and fork. All that cutting and chewing? Who needs that!"But it's more convenient." Yeah, it is. Hitting the drive-thru is much more convenient than making a reservation, going out, ordering, waiting to be served...Who wants that kinda hassle! "But it's cheaper." Yeah, it is. Fast food is infinitely better on the wallet than a good steak restaurant. None of these "but's" mean/equate/justify saying, "You're still in a fancy steak house [a.k.a. playing D&D]." My not playing it would be a simple matter of opportunity, not lack of interest. But, since you bring it up, I would consider people buying 5e for collecting purposes or to play at some later time when they get the chance [after the current campaign is finished, cuz the group wants to try some other game/system first, etc...] are hardly "unusual reasons."I will disagree. I mean, I suppose there's not...for a DMG being optional to people who play rpgs, but we're not talking about people "playing RPGs"...I'm talking about people playing D&D. The conflation of the two seems to be an ever-widening assumption/issue. To play what we call D&D with the DMG as an optional volume is foreign and mad, to my view.That's great! I'm assuming from context that none of those "dozens of [other] RPGs" were D&D...so I don't quite see the relevance.</blockquote>

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