Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What Bugs Me About Prestige Classes
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2084333" data-attributes="member: 12037"><p>Hm... well the game is balanced around 4 PCs all around the same power level. If one PC gets too good at something, then this balance is thrown off, even if he or she isn't stepping on anyone else's toes. This only means the DM has to be proactive with what is allowed and what is disallowed. Usually these overpowered PrC combos are from different sourcebooks which the developers weren't considering interacting when they wrote them, thus the DM needs to step in and say no to PCs who want to use them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That has been a concern of mine from the beginning when a PC first thought about taking a PrC. You cannot grow into PrC. The game makes it very difficult to actually introduce PrCs into a campaign through <em>play</em>. To attain a PrC a PC pretty much has to know he's going for it at character creation. This makes it much more difficult to make them tied to organizations. </p><p></p><p>The PCs don't know that they're going to meet the Templars of Urd (or whatever) in their travels, so how, when one decides to join that order and gain the PrC, will that occur? "Oh no, you don't have the Tower Shield proficiency which is a requirement for this Prestige Class... oh and 7 ranks of Knowlege (Nobility and Leadership), that will take you 3 levels to get if you put every point in it... better start now."</p><p></p><p>No, they can't do that. So the Players don't look for interesting roleplaying PrCs, they look for ones that will help their "crunchyness." Ideas are what's important here. Deepwood Sniper is great! They know they want to be good with a bow, so the player looks at the requirements and when creating his character makes sure that he's going to be able to get it. </p><p></p><p>Bandits of the Gnarly Wood might be an even better fit with great roleplay potential to it and a great story for his joining up, but when a player makes their character they don't have any idea they'll be running into the Bandits of the Gnarly Wood and that they have a PrC that would fit him. The DM at this point probably doesn't even know, because through<em> play</em> is usually where you find out where the story is going (unless you run a more linear gameplay and have players who are into that).</p><p></p><p>Thus, as specific organizations for players to join, the very nature of the Prestige Class is a difficult mold for that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 2084333, member: 12037"] Hm... well the game is balanced around 4 PCs all around the same power level. If one PC gets too good at something, then this balance is thrown off, even if he or she isn't stepping on anyone else's toes. This only means the DM has to be proactive with what is allowed and what is disallowed. Usually these overpowered PrC combos are from different sourcebooks which the developers weren't considering interacting when they wrote them, thus the DM needs to step in and say no to PCs who want to use them. That has been a concern of mine from the beginning when a PC first thought about taking a PrC. You cannot grow into PrC. The game makes it very difficult to actually introduce PrCs into a campaign through [i]play[/i]. To attain a PrC a PC pretty much has to know he's going for it at character creation. This makes it much more difficult to make them tied to organizations. The PCs don't know that they're going to meet the Templars of Urd (or whatever) in their travels, so how, when one decides to join that order and gain the PrC, will that occur? "Oh no, you don't have the Tower Shield proficiency which is a requirement for this Prestige Class... oh and 7 ranks of Knowlege (Nobility and Leadership), that will take you 3 levels to get if you put every point in it... better start now." No, they can't do that. So the Players don't look for interesting roleplaying PrCs, they look for ones that will help their "crunchyness." Ideas are what's important here. Deepwood Sniper is great! They know they want to be good with a bow, so the player looks at the requirements and when creating his character makes sure that he's going to be able to get it. Bandits of the Gnarly Wood might be an even better fit with great roleplay potential to it and a great story for his joining up, but when a player makes their character they don't have any idea they'll be running into the Bandits of the Gnarly Wood and that they have a PrC that would fit him. The DM at this point probably doesn't even know, because through[i] play[/i] is usually where you find out where the story is going (unless you run a more linear gameplay and have players who are into that). Thus, as specific organizations for players to join, the very nature of the Prestige Class is a difficult mold for that. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What Bugs Me About Prestige Classes
Top