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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 9091163" data-attributes="member: 467">I want to talk about this one for a minute because I think it has a very powerful effect on play. Before I begin, tho, I want to note that there are games (or at least game modes) that eliminate this in video games: permadeath in roguelikes is one example, as are &quot;nightmare&quot; modes in other kinds of games.With that said, I think that if you built the lore of a ttrpg to incorporate the idea of &quot;save points&quot; or &quot;extra lives&quot; it would have an interesting effect on play. For example, imagine the characters in a D&amp;D campaign are caught in a time loop where they are trying to fix some catastrophe at the behest of a godlike being. If they die, the being just shunts them to a new timeline just a few moments before the fateful encounter or decision that ended their &quot;run.&quot; or, imagine a world in which death is just a speed bump. If the PCs die, they upload their stack into a new clone and teleport it to some location adjacent to where they died. In either case, the important part is that it is part of the world for both the players and the PCs.With that established I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that players -- even while acting in character -- would be more bold. They would be willing to try risky or even weird ideas. They would be willing to take a chance or make a bad decision just to see how it turns out. Of course, limiting the resurrections mechanic (you only have 9 lives!) would mitigate that to some degree, which may or may not be desirable. In any case, players that don't perceive failure or death as the end of the story, who in fact can use what they learned from that failure or death in the next go around, would certainly engage with the game in a different way.Whether that is desirable or not is of course up for debate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 9091163, member: 467"] I want to talk about this one for a minute because I think it has a very powerful effect on play. Before I begin, tho, I want to note that there are games (or at least game modes) that eliminate this in video games: permadeath in roguelikes is one example, as are "nightmare" modes in other kinds of games. With that said, I think that if you built the lore of a ttrpg to incorporate the idea of "save points" or "extra lives" it would have an interesting effect on play. For example, imagine the characters in a D&D campaign are caught in a time loop where they are trying to fix some catastrophe at the behest of a godlike being. If they die, the being just shunts them to a new timeline just a few moments before the fateful encounter or decision that ended their "run." or, imagine a world in which death is just a speed bump. If the PCs die, they upload their stack into a new clone and teleport it to some location adjacent to where they died. In either case, the important part is that it is part of the world for both the players and the PCs. With that established I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that players -- even while acting in character -- would be more bold. They would be willing to try risky or even weird ideas. They would be willing to take a chance or make a bad decision just to see how it turns out. Of course, limiting the resurrections mechanic (you only have 9 lives!) would mitigate that to some degree, which may or may not be desirable. In any case, players that don't perceive failure or death as the end of the story, who in fact can use what they learned from that failure or death in the next go around, would certainly engage with the game in a different way. Whether that is desirable or not is of course up for debate. [/QUOTE]

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