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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 6252323" data-attributes="member: 5889">I think there are a few things 5e can take from 4e that would help bridge the gap.1) 4e's lack of reliance on magic items, especially with npcs. Other than your key stat bumps (and you could always use that official house rule to give you those with level), magic items were not that important to character balance in 4e. What made that especially useful was against npcs. In 3e, in order to make an npc useful they had to have a lot of items. Then when your players kill them they get those items...making them stronger and stronger. 4e broke that cycle I felt, and was one of its best features.2) 4e monster design. 4e's monster design concepts are leagues above 3e. The understanding that it takes a team of monsters to beat a team of pcs...a monster xp system that was much better than 3e's CR system, the concept of solos and elite creatures (especially the ones made later in 4e's career), and the use of roles to quickly determine what a monster is meant to do. If Next copies nothing else from 4e than many of its monster ideas it will have copied some of the best aspects of 4e.3) 4e's condition system. I'll be the first to admit that 4e uses conditions too much. That said, their codified condition system made applying conditions very straightforward and easy to remember compared to the things found in 3e. Even Monte Cook, a 3e guru, has said that the bloodied condition is such a wonderful concept it should be replicated in any game, any system.So even if the class system more resembles 3e in Next, there are a lot of great things in 4e they could bring in imo.</blockquote>

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