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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6256313" data-attributes="member: 87792">My  problem here is that D&D Next isn't even close to Dungeon World at  any of those three things and 13th Age leaves it looking half-baked at  two of them - and that's only when we stay under the D&D umbrella.  A  game that measures areas of effect in feet is not good at theater of  the mind at all. Another  trope is things man was not meant to know.  Which is why I loved the 4e  ritual/ordinary breakdown.  You learned the rituals.So  tell me.  How do we measure the fireball?  By radius, or by volume?   Will it melt lead things the PCs are carrying, and if so how?   We all know what a burst of fire looks like - but fireball itself has  been paved over with layers of D&D cruft that means that it's  actively harder to work out what a fireball is than what a ball of fire  is.  But where are the clones?  Send in the clones?  Don't bother, they're here.Seriously.  There's a huge difference between learning a trick at the training  salle and integrating it with your entire combat style so that it  becomes a matter of muscle memory.Given that Monster Vault fires the 2e  Monstrous Manual for "Best plot hook official D&D monster manual  ever" and Nentir Vale then slams the door behind the 2e MM, I'd agree.   Then I'd point out that 4e has all this in spades.It's  not about phenomenal cosmic power off camera.  It's about in just about  any magic system other than D&D magic being a complex business that  takes more than six seconds.  A succubus doesn't snap their fingers and  cast Charm Person on their target.  They seduce them (and have the  skills and powers to back this up).  What they aren't is Generic  Enchantment Magic User #28 using only spells wizards can cast.I  actually find the 2e lore really frustrating and pointless compared to  the 4e lore.  It comes with such an absurdly strong implied setting that  there are few campaigns I can use it in at all.  Unlike the 4e monster  lore, which is dedicated to plot hooks and what the monsters motivations  are.This.  If the game wants to give me busywork as the GM I'm simply not going to run that game.</blockquote>

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