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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 6249689" data-attributes="member: 46713">I think a bad DM is definitely worse than a bad player. As has already been mentioned, it's easier to ignore or kick out a bad player - the game is still salvagable. But with a bad DM the game is doomed. A bad DM will typically cause me to leave the group. A bad player, however, is something I consider as an additional challenge. Depending on the particular reason, why the player is 'bad', there are different ways to try to improve the situation. Of course there can be players who you cannot stand to play with eventually, thus ruining the game for you.But a bad DM who isn't willing to listen to advice (which is a sure sign of a bad DM) is simply ruining the game for everyone - there's no chance to redeem it.</blockquote>