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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 1108257" data-attributes="member: 463">How desirable a Feat or Skill is will always depend on the circumstances of the particular campaign.  I'd expect in a game centred around politics and courtly intrigue Diplomacy would be much more frequently used and more useful than Tumble.  That doesn't mean I think that in an intrigue game a PC should get 4 ranks in Tumble for every skill point.  Likewise in a dungeon crawl, Tumble may be more useful (unless the DM makes every monster diplomatisable).  A typically Rogue can max out around 10 skills so it's not an either-or choice.There are skills such as Craft and Profession that are clearly less useful to the back-to-the-dungeon game, indeed to almost any game, than are the adventurer skills.  What these skills are, is a useful tool for world-building (for DMs) and for integrating PCs into the world (for players).Personally, if I were designing D&D from the ground up I wouldn't have used a Charisma stat (& its related skills) - or Wisdom, for that matter.  The Willpower stat used in many other games (eg Runequest) covers both as used in D&D, and retaining the Wis/Cha legacy to me is more a matter of inertia by the redesigners than a considered choice.  They've made it work quite well with the inner will (wis) /outer will (cha) distinction, mind you.  I also don't think much of the 3e Bard (really a Minstrel or Entertainer class).  The Bard prestige class in Slaine is a far better approach IMO.  YMMV.</blockquote>

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