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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 1108284" data-attributes="member: 463">Yes, of course it does.  The player's roleplaying becomes an exercise in futility.Diplomacy in my game - player says what their PC says.  If the NPC would obviously agree or disagree, that's it.  If it's uncertain, they make a Diplomacy (or Bluff etc) check.  Player can also _request_ to make a Diplomacy check at any time they talk to an NPC.IMC 'charm' is a magical effect that can 'get people to do things they wouldn't normally do' (with CHA check as per rules).  Diplomacy is not a magical effect and functions differently; in some ways it can be more powerful, but you have to present a plausible reason why the NPC would _want_ to do something, it's not just 'I cast Diplomacy on him!"All the Skills in the PHB are left somewhat fuzzy and need a lot more DM adjudication than do the combat or spellcasting rules IMO.  That goes for Tumble as much as for Diplomacy - the DM needs to set the DC at a reasonable level with regard to all the circumstances, not just the bare bones guidelines given in the book - Tumbling over 3' kobolds is easier than tumbling over 20' Earth Elementals in my game, whatever the book says.  Using Diplomacy on a petty court official is easier than using it on a gold dragon, likewise - a red dragon might be easier since they have some huge personality weaknesses that can be exploited by the clever diplomat.</blockquote>