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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4768185" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>My answer pertains the lore from 1e-3e on the topic:</p><p></p><p>I figure pretty good between Tiamat and Asmodeus, though they probably don't have direct contact on a frequent basis. Like most other denizens of the 9 Hells, you don't talk directly to the boss unless you're on the other 8 Lords of the 9, and then only when <em>he</em> summons <u>you</u>. Tiamat is already known to have pretty extensive contact and collaboration with the pit fiends of the Dark 8, and they work on Asmo's behalf.</p><p></p><p>Tiamat has to be doing well in Asmo's eyes, because she's still there on Avernus (unlike Gruumsh and Maglubiyet who were forcibly shunted from Avernus into Acheron because their warring against one another got to be a hinderance to the fiends). Although her relationship to the current and past Lord of the 1st (Bel, Zariel, etc) has sometimes been frosty, she has a place within the expanded hierarchy of Hell, even if not among the direct power structure of the diabolic rank and file or the nobility.</p><p></p><p>And Asmodeus isn't worried about her. He doesn't need to be. She's a deity who happens to lair in his plane, and outside of possibly any still lingering Ancient Baatorians, he's the single most powerful embodiment of Lawful Evil within the multiverse. Hell and Asmodeus might as well be considered extensions of one another. While crunch-wise, Asmodeus was never usually granted any actual divine rank, etc the fluff text was pretty solidly behind nothing else on the plane being remotely a threat to his power, and Tiamat is no exception. He plays the other archdevils off of one another like puppets, deities exist within Hell by his sufference, etc. Though to be fair, the orc and goblinoid gods were booted from Hell because they caused problems with the Blood War, and Asmodeus hasn't deigned to step into the on and off war between Levistus the Lord of Stygia and the sahuagin deity Sekolah, or the open warfare between Levistus and Set (though to be fair, Set was very slowly losing, as Levistus had actually imposed his will on the layer of Stygia to the extent that it was causing Set's deific domain to contract).</p><p></p><p>4e alters things a bit and takes a -very- different look on deities and archfiends (and other planar lords). As far as I can tell, the 4e design team went the route of "deity > archfiend always". By making Asmodeus an actual deity in 4e, they try to salvage some of the previous atmosphere of power that surrounded him, without having to break from their stance on gods versus archfiends otherwise. I can't speculate much on his and Tiamat's relationship in 4e, I don't know what they scrapped, what changed, and what hasn't been address in light of other changes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 4768185, member: 11697"] My answer pertains the lore from 1e-3e on the topic: I figure pretty good between Tiamat and Asmodeus, though they probably don't have direct contact on a frequent basis. Like most other denizens of the 9 Hells, you don't talk directly to the boss unless you're on the other 8 Lords of the 9, and then only when [i]he[/i] summons [u]you[/u]. Tiamat is already known to have pretty extensive contact and collaboration with the pit fiends of the Dark 8, and they work on Asmo's behalf. Tiamat has to be doing well in Asmo's eyes, because she's still there on Avernus (unlike Gruumsh and Maglubiyet who were forcibly shunted from Avernus into Acheron because their warring against one another got to be a hinderance to the fiends). Although her relationship to the current and past Lord of the 1st (Bel, Zariel, etc) has sometimes been frosty, she has a place within the expanded hierarchy of Hell, even if not among the direct power structure of the diabolic rank and file or the nobility. And Asmodeus isn't worried about her. He doesn't need to be. She's a deity who happens to lair in his plane, and outside of possibly any still lingering Ancient Baatorians, he's the single most powerful embodiment of Lawful Evil within the multiverse. Hell and Asmodeus might as well be considered extensions of one another. While crunch-wise, Asmodeus was never usually granted any actual divine rank, etc the fluff text was pretty solidly behind nothing else on the plane being remotely a threat to his power, and Tiamat is no exception. He plays the other archdevils off of one another like puppets, deities exist within Hell by his sufference, etc. Though to be fair, the orc and goblinoid gods were booted from Hell because they caused problems with the Blood War, and Asmodeus hasn't deigned to step into the on and off war between Levistus the Lord of Stygia and the sahuagin deity Sekolah, or the open warfare between Levistus and Set (though to be fair, Set was very slowly losing, as Levistus had actually imposed his will on the layer of Stygia to the extent that it was causing Set's deific domain to contract). 4e alters things a bit and takes a -very- different look on deities and archfiends (and other planar lords). As far as I can tell, the 4e design team went the route of "deity > archfiend always". By making Asmodeus an actual deity in 4e, they try to salvage some of the previous atmosphere of power that surrounded him, without having to break from their stance on gods versus archfiends otherwise. I can't speculate much on his and Tiamat's relationship in 4e, I don't know what they scrapped, what changed, and what hasn't been address in light of other changes. [/QUOTE]
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