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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4287183" data-attributes="member: 40961">They still make you stronger.  They just don't do it by means of increasing your strength ability score.  Instead, they make you stronger by providing bonuses on certain checks or damage rolls, ie, on the things that strength does.Its a change from 3e that seems designed to minimize the "must have" nature of certain items.  Now, for example, you don't hit more often when you wear gloves of strength.  You also don't have to recalculate as many things if you take off your gloves.  It means that a "gloves of strength" item is no longer mandatory for people who attack in melee using their strength score, but are instead useful for people who want to do things like pick up boulders.  Its a nerfing, but thought went into it.</blockquote>