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<blockquote data-quote="Qualidar" data-source="post: 4292901" data-attributes="member: 13388"><p>Is <em>that</em> what I claimed?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It does if you want a satisfying result. In other editions of the game you could make a character up with, what, 2 pages of rules? The complicated (caster) classes had a shared base of spells to work with, but there was room in that selection to make each and every character unique.</p><p></p><p>There isn't enough variability in class abilities in 4e to provide differentiation if you use various parts of what's already there. The niche protection is too strong. To get a satisfying new character class you need to develop a full suite of powers. That's not the same amount of work as creating a class in previous editions. That's the same as creating a class and 1/4 of the spells in the game.</p><p></p><p>And as for "lazy"?: I don't have an unlimited supply of time. I'm unable to lurk on message boards all day deriding or lauding a particular version of a role-playing game, for example. Nor do I necessarily have the time to sit around crocheting, making websites of myself modeling Peter Pan costumes, or other fanciful pursuits. When I have some free time to be creative I like to use it to make exciting adventures for my players. I have a real life I'm fitting all this fun gaming around. I don't want to have to shoulder the workload a professional game designer to add in a new character class. </p><p></p><p>And that's something you can't do in 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Qualidar, post: 4292901, member: 13388"] Is [I]that[/I] what I claimed? It does if you want a satisfying result. In other editions of the game you could make a character up with, what, 2 pages of rules? The complicated (caster) classes had a shared base of spells to work with, but there was room in that selection to make each and every character unique. There isn't enough variability in class abilities in 4e to provide differentiation if you use various parts of what's already there. The niche protection is too strong. To get a satisfying new character class you need to develop a full suite of powers. That's not the same amount of work as creating a class in previous editions. That's the same as creating a class and 1/4 of the spells in the game. And as for "lazy"?: I don't have an unlimited supply of time. I'm unable to lurk on message boards all day deriding or lauding a particular version of a role-playing game, for example. Nor do I necessarily have the time to sit around crocheting, making websites of myself modeling Peter Pan costumes, or other fanciful pursuits. When I have some free time to be creative I like to use it to make exciting adventures for my players. I have a real life I'm fitting all this fun gaming around. I don't want to have to shoulder the workload a professional game designer to add in a new character class. And that's something you can't do in 4e. [/QUOTE]
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