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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4295491" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>I still don't have the 4E PHB (I will shortly.)</p><p> I must grin at the example you give above. 4E doesn't actually do that, does it?</p><p></p><p> In the games I was in, you found Pit Traps only if you searched for them, and were successful in finding them.</p><p> Otherwise, you found them - the hard way. No save. And you definitely did NOT get to choose how much damage you took at the bottom, what kind of damage it was ... or whether your character survived. </p><p> If your character died, you went and got a new character ... and a party Rogue to handle such dangers. Sadder but wiser.</p><p></p><p> Is this kind of situation now irrelevant, in 4E?</p><p></p><p> -</p><p></p><p> Spells kill or render unconscious on demand?</p><p> That means my Fireball can kill or merely render unconscious those 20 orcs? Hehe ... a lot of 1E/2E/3E wizards would love to have that variant spell (or, better yet, a Death Spell where it can be death or unconsciousness. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> )</p><p></p><p> However, I admit that I am puzzled by the 1st level teleportation ability. Everyone has that? Sorta reminds me of Exalted, where PCs are very powerful compared to D&D characters (My old 1st level characters wish they had that! Especially all the dead ones.) What is the reasoning behind this?</p><p></p><p> I guess this renders the Cat versus the Commoner (or 1st level character) argument null and void! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p> But yeah, I'm accustomed to the idea of 1st level characters being ... well, their situation makes the words 'powerless' and 'helpless' look like 'great and powerful' in comparison.</p><p> Now they have regenerate, and teleport, and other such abilities, even the fighters, at 1st level? And instantly back to full hit points from -9. (It's no fair. My old 1st level characters want a Do-Over session! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4295491, member: 2020"] I still don't have the 4E PHB (I will shortly.) I must grin at the example you give above. 4E doesn't actually do that, does it? In the games I was in, you found Pit Traps only if you searched for them, and were successful in finding them. Otherwise, you found them - the hard way. No save. And you definitely did NOT get to choose how much damage you took at the bottom, what kind of damage it was ... or whether your character survived. If your character died, you went and got a new character ... and a party Rogue to handle such dangers. Sadder but wiser. Is this kind of situation now irrelevant, in 4E? - Spells kill or render unconscious on demand? That means my Fireball can kill or merely render unconscious those 20 orcs? Hehe ... a lot of 1E/2E/3E wizards would love to have that variant spell (or, better yet, a Death Spell where it can be death or unconsciousness. :D ) However, I admit that I am puzzled by the 1st level teleportation ability. Everyone has that? Sorta reminds me of Exalted, where PCs are very powerful compared to D&D characters (My old 1st level characters wish they had that! Especially all the dead ones.) What is the reasoning behind this? I guess this renders the Cat versus the Commoner (or 1st level character) argument null and void! :D But yeah, I'm accustomed to the idea of 1st level characters being ... well, their situation makes the words 'powerless' and 'helpless' look like 'great and powerful' in comparison. Now they have regenerate, and teleport, and other such abilities, even the fighters, at 1st level? And instantly back to full hit points from -9. (It's no fair. My old 1st level characters want a Do-Over session! :) ) [/QUOTE]
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