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What changes/additions to multiclassing would you like to see?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5449987" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, except it will make some utterly broken hybrids, not going to happen and for that I am glad.</p><p></p><p>Seriously though, MC power swap feats are horrible. You can dredge up a very few corner cases where it is worth taking one, but as a general rule they are worthless. People only use MC feats nowadays to poach a bit of a class feature and/or as a slightly better version of Skill Training. That should tell you all you need to know about the uselessness of MC power swap feats and PMC. </p><p></p><p>Back when PHB1 rolled out it was at least arguable that you could get something useful out of taking power swaps, and PMC was at least an option that could make sense in a few corner cases. However heroic tier was relatively bereft of good feats for many characters, so it was not that big a deal to blow 1-3 feat slots for a lot of builds and you could get something worthwhile out of it that you couldn't get any other way. Now you have tons of other options besides straight class powers, especially with themes in the mix. Sacrificing a feat slot in order to swap out a power is simply a bad deal all around for basically any character. </p><p></p><p>Frankly I think a single feat that combines the effects of the existing 3 power swap feats would be reasonable. You MC and that gets you something worthwhile. Then you can take the 'Advanced Study' feat and get a single use of an at-will per encounter. At 4th level you can opt to swap a utility power, and at 8th level a daily power. Total cost is now 2 feat slots, one of which you get other stuff for, and you get the increased versatility for the other feat. If you do both power swaps then you can PMC, which might just about be viable. </p><p></p><p>The nice thing about the MC system is you can do it at any point in your character's career, which is a fairly unique bit of flexibility and can be used in coordination with things going on in-game, unlike PPs, EDs, Themes, and Hybriding, which are all options that you have to pick at a specific point in time. It is a nice subsystem, just way overpriced as the game is now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5449987, member: 82106"] Yeah, except it will make some utterly broken hybrids, not going to happen and for that I am glad. Seriously though, MC power swap feats are horrible. You can dredge up a very few corner cases where it is worth taking one, but as a general rule they are worthless. People only use MC feats nowadays to poach a bit of a class feature and/or as a slightly better version of Skill Training. That should tell you all you need to know about the uselessness of MC power swap feats and PMC. Back when PHB1 rolled out it was at least arguable that you could get something useful out of taking power swaps, and PMC was at least an option that could make sense in a few corner cases. However heroic tier was relatively bereft of good feats for many characters, so it was not that big a deal to blow 1-3 feat slots for a lot of builds and you could get something worthwhile out of it that you couldn't get any other way. Now you have tons of other options besides straight class powers, especially with themes in the mix. Sacrificing a feat slot in order to swap out a power is simply a bad deal all around for basically any character. Frankly I think a single feat that combines the effects of the existing 3 power swap feats would be reasonable. You MC and that gets you something worthwhile. Then you can take the 'Advanced Study' feat and get a single use of an at-will per encounter. At 4th level you can opt to swap a utility power, and at 8th level a daily power. Total cost is now 2 feat slots, one of which you get other stuff for, and you get the increased versatility for the other feat. If you do both power swaps then you can PMC, which might just about be viable. The nice thing about the MC system is you can do it at any point in your character's career, which is a fairly unique bit of flexibility and can be used in coordination with things going on in-game, unlike PPs, EDs, Themes, and Hybriding, which are all options that you have to pick at a specific point in time. It is a nice subsystem, just way overpriced as the game is now. [/QUOTE]
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