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<blockquote data-quote="Impeesa" data-source="post: 2122979" data-attributes="member: 498">I'm fairly open-minded about classes being simply packages of abilities to help flesh out my character concept, so I can't really think of anything I wouldn't play given the right concept. So really, I shouldn't be chiming in here, but I thought I'd play devil's advocate for one of the less-loved classes...Where does that leave the young evangelist, enchanting the masses and spurring his allies to great acts of courage with his rousing oratory? Or the orcish drummer, bolstering his unit's morale and striking fear into his enemies during wartime, and acting as a keeper of cultural lore during times of peace? It's not the game designers' fault if the only bard archtype you can come up with is &quot;gay leprechaun.&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So having nothing to distinguish it mechanically from any other rogue/wizard is a good thing? I don't particularly care if it has a different name on a similar package, I'll give it whatever flavor I want when I conceptualize the character (see examples above). And if those spells do include exclusive spell lists like &quot;Controlling Songs&quot; and &quot;Entertaining Ways&quot; (to use the Rolemater examples), then you still have 'silly' musical magical effects, don't you?--Impeesa--</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Impeesa, post: 2122979, member: 498"] I'm fairly open-minded about classes being simply packages of abilities to help flesh out my character concept, so I can't really think of anything I wouldn't play given the right concept. So really, I shouldn't be chiming in here, but I thought I'd play devil's advocate for one of the less-loved classes... Where does that leave the young evangelist, enchanting the masses and spurring his allies to great acts of courage with his rousing oratory? Or the orcish drummer, bolstering his unit's morale and striking fear into his enemies during wartime, and acting as a keeper of cultural lore during times of peace? It's not the game designers' fault if the only bard archtype you can come up with is "gay leprechaun." ;) So having nothing to distinguish it mechanically from any other rogue/wizard is a good thing? I don't particularly care if it has a different name on a similar package, I'll give it whatever flavor I want when I conceptualize the character (see examples above). And if those spells do include exclusive spell lists like "Controlling Songs" and "Entertaining Ways" (to use the Rolemater examples), then you still have 'silly' musical magical effects, don't you? --Impeesa-- [/QUOTE]

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