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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8728849" data-attributes="member: 6988941">I voted for Monk, Ranger, and Sorcerer as the three that, to my mind, have serious 5e design issues, thus being the ones I'm most likely to get sucked into an argument with the advocates of. In the case of Ranger and Sorcerer they've gotten soft but fairly substantial redesigns from Tasha's, both demonstrating their original insufficiency and giving everyone a whole new round of stuff to argue over. The form of this redesign for the Sorcerer was making new subclasses that were much better than the old ones, so now it is a class with wildly unbalanced subclasses.The Ranger also, of course, has a fundamental debate over what it's even supposed to be with many people having very strong feelings about whether it should be magical, whether it should be more Aragorn-centric, etc. The Monk has a boneheaded 1 resource point per level design and their strongest ability, Stunning Strike, manages to be both overpowered in a way that trivializes some fights not planned around it, while at the same time being not very fun or satisfying to many Monk players. It is also is one of the classes, if not the class, with the most people thematically opposed to its whole inclusion in the game.Sorcerers share the 1 point per level resource point scheme with Monks, and it sucks again. WotC gives them nothing for level 2 but an ability they can't use yet. They directly mirror Wizards in a way no two other classes really mirror each other, and Sorcerers mostly get the worse end of that comparison, but can be much more effective at a few things, particularly with careful optimization. Thanks to the dumb points per level their progression is even more quadratic than the Wizard's. All great fodder for lots of "Sorcerers suck" vs. "but Sorcerers can do this cool thing nobody else can" arguments. Anyone who thinks Sorcerers aren't a leading font of argument should look up any thread started here by Hohige.</blockquote>

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