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<blockquote data-quote="Peni Griffin" data-source="post: 3417858" data-attributes="member: 50322">I would say fighter changed the most.&nbsp; Feats changed fighters, once the simplest of all classes, drastically and beyond recognition.&nbsp; Paladin became its own class, rather than a subtype, and got pretty shafted in the process.&nbsp; Although&nbsp; the original bard, in all its complex glory, may be argued to have undergone a bigger transformation in that it was rendered a class rather than an impossible dream.Clerics got shafted in 3E.&nbsp; Everybody else gets class features as they go up but not clerics, nooooo.&nbsp; People have always had a weird attitude about clerics.&nbsp; They may be the single most useful class, in concept and in practice, and yet I frequently default to playing them because other people won't.&nbsp; There's something about them that folks find inherently uncool, and I think the absence of class features in the revision stems from the designers accepting that perception as&nbsp; a reality.&nbsp; If I'd been doing that revision, I would have made sure clerics got some bells-and-whistles to encourage folks to play them and get to know their full potential.Y'know the change I resent most?&nbsp; They took Chariot of Sustarre away from the Great Druid.&nbsp; Come to that, they took away the Great Druid.&nbsp; I'm going to have to find somebody to DM us in 1E again if I ever hope to fly in a Chariot of Sustarre.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Peni Griffin, post: 3417858, member: 50322"] I would say fighter changed the most. Feats changed fighters, once the simplest of all classes, drastically and beyond recognition. Paladin became its own class, rather than a subtype, and got pretty shafted in the process. Although the original bard, in all its complex glory, may be argued to have undergone a bigger transformation in that it was rendered a class rather than an impossible dream. Clerics got shafted in 3E. Everybody else gets class features as they go up but not clerics, nooooo. People have always had a weird attitude about clerics. They may be the single most useful class, in concept and in practice, and yet I frequently default to playing them because other people won't. There's something about them that folks find inherently uncool, and I think the absence of class features in the revision stems from the designers accepting that perception as a reality. If I'd been doing that revision, I would have made sure clerics got some bells-and-whistles to encourage folks to play them and get to know their full potential. Y'know the change I resent most? They took Chariot of Sustarre away from the Great Druid. Come to that, they took away the Great Druid. I'm going to have to find somebody to DM us in 1E again if I ever hope to fly in a Chariot of Sustarre. [/QUOTE]

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