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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6717681" data-attributes="member: 996">Promises, promises.&nbsp;At least not right away.&nbsp; If 5e had as long a run as AD&amp;D, it'd probably end up scrapping the bottom of every barrel it could find.&nbsp; But, that's always been the case.&nbsp; There's no reasonable expectation of a new edition having everything a past edition did.&nbsp; It's less the case for 5e, though, which set out with the lofty intention of bringing fans of every past edition together.&nbsp; 5e also made it clear what wasn't on the table for inclusion in the PH:&nbsp; anything not in a previous-edition PH1.&nbsp; Since only 3.5 and 4e had PH2's, that was already creating a slight appearance of favoritism towards the classic game, not that it was the only thing doing that.&nbsp; &nbsp;Like what?&nbsp; The Elf as a class or something else from BECMI?Every class and sub-class from 0D&amp;D and/or the 1e PH is in 5e, most of the sub-classes as full classes.&nbsp; Every race is in.&nbsp; Psionics just got a UA.&nbsp; Are there some spells or magic items or monsters you're missing?&nbsp;And there was no requirement that fans of past edition play 4e, yet the edition war happened, and we now have 5e, which is trying to heal that rift and include fans of all past editions.I would rather support 5e and see it include all fans than abandon it.&nbsp; That means supporting the inclusion of things from past editions that I didn't care for.&nbsp; Afterall, I'm not obliged to use them if it turns out I don't find the 5e versions any better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6717681, member: 996"] Promises, promises. At least not right away. If 5e had as long a run as AD&D, it'd probably end up scrapping the bottom of every barrel it could find. But, that's always been the case. There's no reasonable expectation of a new edition having everything a past edition did. It's less the case for 5e, though, which set out with the lofty intention of bringing fans of every past edition together. 5e also made it clear what wasn't on the table for inclusion in the PH: anything not in a previous-edition PH[i]1[/i]. Since only 3.5 and 4e had PH2's, that was already creating a slight appearance of favoritism towards the classic game, not that it was the only thing doing that. Like what? The Elf as a class or something else from BECMI? [i]Every class and sub-class from 0D&D and/or the 1e PH is in 5e,[/i] most of the sub-classes as full classes. Every race is in. Psionics just got a UA. Are there some spells or magic items or monsters you're missing? And there was no requirement that fans of past edition play 4e, yet the edition war happened, and we now have 5e, which is trying to heal that rift and [i]include fans of all past editions.[/i] I would rather support 5e and see it include all fans than abandon it. That means supporting the inclusion of things from past editions that I didn't care for. Afterall, I'm not obliged to use them if it turns out I don't find the 5e versions any better. [/QUOTE]

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