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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6717718" data-attributes="member: 6701872">You are misreading what I said.Side A Wants: The developers not to spend their limited time on things which Side A isn't going to use, and Side B might decide they don't like the actual implementation of that the developers choose to go with (see: any complaints about the ranger class; people that insist that the characters which can be built with 5th edition that have great similarity to characters built with 4e's warlord class aren't warlord enough)Side B Wants: The developers to make what they want, how they want it made, even if that means asking for a re-do because the prior effort wasn't deemed satisfactory.Side A says to Side B: Make it yourself, that's the only way to be sure it comes out exactly how you want it to - and it frees up the developers to spend their limited time on something that maybe we will both use.Side B says to Side A: No, the developers should make it, and remake it, until I'm satisfied and you can just ignore it if don't like it - and says nothing of how dev-time spent on something one side might like and use, but the other side definitely won't like or use, is failing to be compared to dev-time spent on something both sides might like and use.No one is saying &quot;No, you don't actually want that&quot; to you, certainly not me at least. Though I did say &quot;Yeah, you want that... but that doesn't mean that WotC making it is going to result in their &quot;that&quot; being the &quot;that&quot; that you wanted.&quot;Get better DMs, have higher standards for who you will allow to be your DM - accepting a game you aren't satisfied with is entirely on you.The exact reason why WotC doing it is even less likely to result in what you want - if the people you actually share a table with can't agree on what is the &quot;right&quot; way to do it, how are people that have never met you expected to manage?And yet there are people that embrace 3PP materials, some even to the point of using a particular 3PP to the exclusion of even the first-party product, and entire web communities that are dedicated to fan-driven conversion because they believe, and rightfully so, that WotC isn't going to get around to any official conversion nearly soon enough, because &quot;soon enough&quot; means &quot;I need it for my next session.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 6717718, member: 6701872"] You are misreading what I said. Side A Wants: The developers not to spend their limited time on things which Side A isn't going to use, and Side B might decide they don't like the actual implementation of that the developers choose to go with (see: any complaints about the ranger class; people that insist that the characters which can be built with 5th edition that have great similarity to characters built with 4e's warlord class aren't warlord [I]enough[/I]) Side B Wants: The developers to make what they want, how they want it made, even if that means asking for a re-do because the prior effort wasn't deemed satisfactory. Side A says to Side B: Make it yourself, that's the only way to be sure it comes out exactly how you want it to - and it frees up the developers to spend their limited time on something that maybe we will both use. Side B says to Side A: No, the developers should make it, and remake it, until I'm satisfied and you can just ignore it if don't like it - and says nothing of how dev-time spent on something one side [I]might like and use[/I], but the other side [I]definitely won't like or use[/I], is failing to be compared to dev-time spent on something [I]both sides [/I]might like and use. No one is saying "No, you don't actually want that" to you, certainly not me at least. Though I did say "Yeah, you want that... but that doesn't mean that WotC making it is going to result in their "that" being the "that" that you wanted." Get better DMs, have higher standards for who you will allow to be your DM - accepting a game you aren't satisfied with is entirely on you. The exact reason why WotC doing it is even less likely to result in what you want - if the people you actually share a table with can't agree on what is the "right" way to do it, how are people that have never met you expected to manage? And yet there are people that embrace 3PP materials, some even to the point of using a particular 3PP to the exclusion of even the first-party product, and entire web communities that are dedicated to fan-driven conversion because they believe, and rightfully so, that WotC isn't going to get around to any official conversion nearly soon enough, because "soon enough" means "I need it for my next session." [/QUOTE]

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