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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jessica" data-source="post: 6720687" data-attributes="member: 6796107">IMO the whole instantly lose spellcasting for going a small bit astray just feels like it limits story telling. It makes D&D religion more boring than it already is when you have a very micro-manage-y deity who outright picks certain sects as the default and then depowers any rivals. That's why I loved the thought of the 4e style divine investiture where it was up to the religion and not the deity to deal with people who stray from a certain set of dogma. For all you know, maybe the one who is going against the established religion is actually doing it right. However in non-4e D&D you pretty much hamstring the ability to deal with sects within the same religion because the sect who is doing it right has actual spells to show for it.Also as far as Avengers go, I think just letting them be OoV Paladins who can use two-handed weapons as finesse weapons(in exchange for losing armor proficiency) would go a long way towards making it work albeit it would be more support oriented then I remember 4e Avengers being.</blockquote>