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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6729088" data-attributes="member: 996">It was a full class in 4e, 3.5, and 2e.&nbsp; Several in 2e, even.&nbsp; Seems like there might be enough Shaman stuff out there to warrant a full 5e class, too.&quot;Elfcrusher is right:&quot;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The way sub-classes seem to work gets in the way of implementing past full-class concepts with a mere sub-class.&nbsp; If that precedent were ever set, though, more design space would open up...They tried that in 4e/Essentials+ (split it up into a shape-shifting druid, a healing druid, and a summoning druid) and, IDK, I found it disappointing.&nbsp; The Druid had always had both fairly good, if nature-focused, casting (including not-so-good-as-the-cleric support), and the shapechange ability (and the animal forms available weren't that crazy), but fairly poor melee (and good HD but a level limit).&nbsp; In 5e the Land Druid feels a lot like a classic Druid I enjoyed back in the day.&nbsp; I hate to see it lose the mostly-utility Shapechanging it has, or to see the Moon Druid lose spell access.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6729088, member: 996"] It was a full class in 4e, 3.5, and 2e. Several in 2e, even. Seems like there might be enough Shaman stuff out there to warrant a full 5e class, too. "Elfcrusher is right:" ;) The way sub-classes seem to work gets in the way of implementing past full-class concepts with a mere sub-class. If that precedent were ever set, though, more design space would open up... They tried that in 4e/Essentials+ (split it up into a shape-shifting druid, a healing druid, and a summoning druid) and, IDK, I found it disappointing. The Druid had always had both fairly good, if nature-focused, casting (including not-so-good-as-the-cleric support), and the shapechange ability (and the animal forms available weren't that crazy), but fairly poor melee (and good HD but a level limit). In 5e the Land Druid feels a lot like a classic Druid I enjoyed back in the day. I hate to see it lose the mostly-utility Shapechanging it has, or to see the Moon Druid lose spell access. [/QUOTE]

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