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<blockquote data-quote="Edgar Ironpelt" data-source="post: 9758737" data-attributes="member: 32075">Because if the weapon weren't poisoned, it would be a narrow miss, and simply putting poison on a weapon shouldn't make it more likely to inflict an actual contact hit as opposed to a narrow miss.It's a point where narrativism and simulationism come into conflict, and some of us prefer to come down on the side of simulationism on this point. Now I'd be willing to go with a rule that a poisoned weapon is a bigger threat and thus causes more hit-point loss (whatever hit point loss represents) - just like a bigger, sharper weapon is a bigger threat and causes more hit-point loss whether or not it makes actual contact. But in that case, unless there is a crunchy rule to say &quot;hits at this point represent actual pointy-object-piercing-skin&quot; (e.g. hits when the character is down below half hp) then there should be no save vs poison damage, but also no &quot;special poison&quot; damage or effects from poisoned-weapon attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edgar Ironpelt, post: 9758737, member: 32075"] Because if the weapon weren't poisoned, it would be a narrow miss, and simply putting poison on a weapon shouldn't make it more likely to inflict an actual contact hit as opposed to a narrow miss. It's a point where narrativism and simulationism come into conflict, and some of us prefer to come down on the side of simulationism on this point. Now I'd be willing to go with a rule that a poisoned weapon is a bigger threat and thus causes more hit-point loss (whatever hit point loss represents) - just like a bigger, sharper weapon is a bigger threat and causes more hit-point loss whether or not it makes actual contact. But in that case, unless there is a crunchy rule to say "hits at this point represent actual pointy-object-piercing-skin" (e.g. hits when the character is down below half hp) then there should be no save vs poison damage, but also no "special poison" damage or effects from poisoned-weapon attacks. [/QUOTE]

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