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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5115656" data-attributes="member: 463">3e CR isn't really comparable to 4e level.&nbsp; In 3e, a lone monster with CR 2 is a moderate challenge to a 4-PC 2nd level party, expected to take 20-25% of their resources.&nbsp; A CR 4 monster is twice as powerful, making it about _equal_ to a 2nd level party (lasts twice as long, hits twice as hard, will take around 80-100% of party resources to beat). A CR 5 monster is more powerful than a 2nd level party and on average will TPK them.In 4e, a 5th level monster is 1/5 of a moderate challenge for a party of 5 5th level PCs.&nbsp; It's twice as powerful as a 1st level monster, so 2 of them in theory make a suitable challenge for a 1st level party.&nbsp; An Elite is twice as powerful as a standard monster, so a single 5th level elite is, in theory, a suitable challenge for a 1st level party, or a rather easy challenge for a 2nd level party.&nbsp; And that's true - they'll usually beat it, but often its high defenses and hp can make the fight very grindy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5115656, member: 463"] 3e CR isn't really comparable to 4e level. In 3e, a lone monster with CR 2 is a moderate challenge to a 4-PC 2nd level party, expected to take 20-25% of their resources. A CR 4 monster is twice as powerful, making it about _equal_ to a 2nd level party (lasts twice as long, hits twice as hard, will take around 80-100% of party resources to beat). A CR 5 monster is more powerful than a 2nd level party and on average will TPK them. In 4e, a 5th level monster is 1/5 of a moderate challenge for a party of 5 5th level PCs. It's twice as powerful as a 1st level monster, so 2 of them in theory make a suitable challenge for a 1st level party. An Elite is twice as powerful as a standard monster, so a single 5th level elite is, in theory, a suitable challenge for a 1st level party, or a rather easy challenge for a 2nd level party. And that's true - they'll usually beat it, but often its high defenses and hp can make the fight very grindy. [/QUOTE]

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