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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3969878" data-attributes="member: 54846">Or if he just wants to do anything to the enemy. I'm playing a low level cleric, and the only options I really have to hamper the enemies, spell-wise, is "Bane", "Cause Fear" or "Hold Person" (Which is pretty limited).I think debuffs are sexy. But debuff spells are much higher, and there's not a class that does debuffing at all. There's barely any PrCs! Or that even in a combat, that is still their only option. Meanwhile, at least the rogue has to be tactical to do his thing, and the plethora of classes have some options. Meanwhile, I... swing my sword.Or the rogue player doesn't want to be the trap-disarmer-on-a-stick. And I think that's a pretty gross generalization. Why should my fighter character be useless outside of combat? "Oh, you want someone who isn't dead weight outside of killing something - play another class." Why can't you make it work for another class?</blockquote>