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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lutecius" data-source="post: 4992426" data-attributes="member: 60332"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> my thoughts exactly. I think 4e and wfrp3 also have a lot in common in their design philosophy. FFG certainly went one step further with the expansion approach.As I said in another thread, it's a good deterrent to piracy (few people are going to print and paste all those cards) but WotC should wait to see how wfrp3 does before going this route. I believe the electronic subscription model is a safer bet.The thing with wrp3 is that you need the special dice and props to play. Your options and the number of players are effectively limited by the number of shiny action cards.For comparison, there are at least 4 times as many powers in phb1 alone. And many felt the game was incomplete. A 4e starter set would require a bigger (more expensive) box.Interestingly, the designers' defense against the many complaints on the FFG site about action cards being too limiting is awfully similar to 4e's "oh, you also have those almost free-form skill-challenges and those cool p42 stunts (wfrp has a special card for them) so you can still make up stuff, good luck to dms balancing that. Be sure to buy the supplements, though. you know... just in case"To me, a 4 race/4 class set sounds like a demo. I wouldn't buy it unless it's incredibly cheap but I'm probably not a fan of starter/basic sets in general. I want the full monty.I guess I can wait for high level mechanics but after being spoiled by all the options in older editions, I expect a little more customization at character creation.</blockquote>

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