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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8871527" data-attributes="member: 67338">not really Tuesday night there are 6 of us (5 players and a DM) and Saturday there are 4 of us (1 DM and 3 players) (and in theory we have a 1/month game but it has been 8 sessions in 14 months and non in January so I'm not counting it for this)2 of us (myself and my oldest friend) over lap the groups so right now we have 8 of us.3 of us want to play 4e more as 1st pref (of the 3 of us 2 want Savage world as 3rd choice and 1 wants WoD as 3rd choice)2 of us want to play 3.5 (or pathfinder 1) more as a 1st pret (of them one wants to play WoD as 2nd choice and Mutants and Masterminds as 3rd other wants to play Torg as 2nd choice or Rifts as third (would put up with savage world but really wants original))1 of us (is insane) and wants 2eD&D as 1st pref and Rifts (original only) as second and Torg as 3rd1 of us wants to play any WoD or Superhero game most but would settle for 4e D&D.... never actually wants to rank an order1 of us wants to play 5e most (only 1 but he started in 5e) and would do 4e as second choice and wont play a non D&D game but MIGHT consider pathfinder 2e, but no one else even has looked at it.Now the fun part were we MIGHT try other systems again is World of Darkness... because the 3 of us that want 4e/savagworld/WoD and 1 of the 2 that wants 3.5/Wod/M&M make up the Saturday group... SO world of darkness is actually higher on the list and was what we were playing before covid... it was only that 5e D&D is easier on roll20 that moved us, BUT I have been experimenting and have a pitch for a 1930's VtM and a 2023 MtA useng the 20th anneversary rules... so maybe.5e is only 1 persons favorite edition (funny enough the guy who is trying to run the 1/month that never happens)other possibilities are Rifts and Torg but for the most part there are people with hard limits (major dislike) of each.I tried to bring up Moruss's 5e variant as an advanced 5e and it was shot down as no one wanting to learn another 3rd pary system.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f622.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cry:" title="Crying    :cry:"  data-smilie="15"data-shortname=":cry:" />We don't know... this is why we are on the fense. Some of what we see we like some we don't. As for where it will land I don't know.In general the idea that they wont address the systematic issue with caster/noncaster imbalance (that we feel, and we are not alone, is there)or the HP inflation that 3e 4e and 5e all have make me worry. We also disliked (and it seemed we were not alone) the auto pass on a 20 auto fail on a 1) and the new spell prep/list system. BUT we like the new ranger (except the spell thing) and the bard (although we don't understand why the change from song of rest). We really want a warlord and we are scared to see what the warrior options and wizard options will look like.   Since right now Hexblade warlock is our Most played class across all games what they do with that will ALSO infulence us.yes, that is part of it. I also feel that having too many things that go off "Prof x per day" instead of off a short rest is a major flaw being introduced (yes it is already showin up in 5e). My blade singer right now has 2 things that run off it.yeah, I worry if enough people that want change are just throwing there hands up... of the 8 of us (plus 3 others I know IRL) 5 of us did the 1st survey and as of today only me and 1 other did the most resent... with 1 other saying 'they would when they have the time'there is an old adage about customers not knowing what they want.again we are paying attention and have a group text where we discuss changes even with lapsed players (the group text is 13 of us including only 7 of the 8 above I play with because the crazy guy that wants to play 2e or original rifts doesn't have a smart phone and doesn't like texting on his old flip phone)Edit: as part of trying to keep our group together as much as possible back around 5e coming out we all made 'top 10' lists (with 1 exception for not wanting to rank and 1 expectation for joined right after this) and 5e was around the 5th or 6th spot on everyones list. Nobody HATES 5e, but none of us LOVE 5e.Edit2: my most up to date top 10 is[SPOILER="top 10 games I want to run/play"]1) 4eD&D2) Savage Worlds Rifts3) Savage Worlds Deadlands4) Mage the Ascension5) Vampire the Masquerade6) 5eD&D7) Werewolf the apocalypse8) DCU (using the Mutants and masterminds version of the book)9) Torg Eternal 10) Star Wars d6 systemwith honorable mentions to original Deadlands, original Rifts, 2e D&D and d6 DCU... and maybe outside chance Mutants and Masterminds 2e.Never want to do again: Pathfinder 1e, D&D3e/3.5 Starwars d20 Starwars saga (although of all my dislikes it is the least) new world of darkness (so Mage the Awakening, Vampire the Requiam ect... with a carve out for Prometheon... I MIGHT be able to be convinced to play but not run prometheon)  this has changed since the original list, Mage and Vampire switched places and TORG Eternal got added pushing d6 starwars down and that removed my old #10 Original Rifts[/SPOILER]</blockquote>

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