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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jolly Giant" data-source="post: 1611136" data-attributes="member: 5278">Last night the PCs in my evil campaign performed their SECOND deicide, when they killed Vecna...Admittedly, they didn't do it entirely without help.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  They had assistance from the only person who knew where Vecna's stronghold was; the newly ressurrected Kas, and they persuaded Nerull himself to open a gate directly into Vecna's study. Nerull insisted that his interferance was kept secret however, and he is now expecting that quite a lot of Vecna's old worshippers will turn to him for their spiritual needs.As for deity CR, the DDG gives no help whatsoever, so I've come up with a system of my own (seems to be working all right so far):Start with the standard CR for the deity's class levels and add +1 for every 2 outsider HD. (Standard CR rules...)Then add +4 for divine rank 0 (Thats when they become immune to just about everything, gain DR and SR)Add a further +1 for each divine rankFinally, add +2 for demigods, +4 for minor deities, +6 for intermediate deities and +8 for greater deities.This system has worked out fine so far, but it's only been playtested on demigods and minor deities yet...</blockquote>