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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 7957164" data-attributes="member: 14159">For everyone asking why Book of Nine Swords, Incarnum, and Psionics weren't in this list, my thought was for classes that didn't introduce new styles of powers to the game.Since the psion/psionicist had never been a core class in 2e, 3e or 4e, and apparently were never introduced to 5e at all, I hadn't thought that making them into a core class wasn't really an option, and if you weren't going to add a new kind of power that had a long history with D&D like psionics into the core rules, then a much more obscure source like incarnum or nine swords seemed very out-of-place.. . .that and it was my first time creating a poll here in many years and I didn't realize that there was no ability for end users to add items to the polls.  I included everything that I thought was a 3e base class from a sourcebook (other than Warlock, since that WAS made core in later editions) that didn't introduce completely new powers. . .I do find the talk that you can somehow recreate all these classes in 5e to be puzzling.  I always found 5e to be staggeringly limiting and straitjacketing, a simplified version of D&D without a lot of options, one reason I have come to avoid it like the plague.  My attempts at playing 5e were all "Here's the kind of character I'd like to play. . ." as I name off something I like from 3.5 (my preferred edition) to the DM, typically using some of the above classes, and I'm told point-blank that those classes don't exist in 5e and I should stick to the 12 classes, as written, in the PHB. After the 3rd separate group saying there was NOTHING like any of the above classes in 5e (each one saying there was explicitly no "divine sorcerer" like the Favored Soul/Mystic/Shugenja, since that's a favorite character type of mine), I rather took it to be the way 5e is played and written.Why would you need to make warlock its own class, if you could create things as completely different from other classes like artificer, favored soul, or archivist with the existing core classes. . .wouldn't warlock just be a variant of sorcerer then (since both are arcane casters that gets magic though means other than study)?</blockquote>

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