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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7958921" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Nonsense. 5E Fighters can absolutely have the skills they need, from a combination of backgrounds, class skills, and subclass skills and bonuses. Or Rogues, if you prefer. It feels to me that you don't understand how 5E works, because it's hard to understand what you're otherwise claiming. There's nothing about 5E Fighters that makes them any less "cultured" or "intelligent" than any other class. I have a noble fighter using the Samurai subclass in one of the groups I run RIGHT NOW, and because we rolled stats, his INT and CHA are pretty high. He has History, Persuasion, etc. and the Noble background (with the Position of Privilege feature). He's not from a Japanese-style culture, it's just that Samurai works quite well for this.</p><p></p><p>As for "weaponmasters" and similar nonsense, explain to me exactly what <em>combat traits</em> a 5E Noble class would have the a Swashbuckler subclass Rogue would not? Or equally a Fighter with a new specially created subclass. All classes, no exceptions, are good at combat in 5E. Hate on 5E for that if you want. Don't try and tell me it makes this the "wrong solution" though.</p><p></p><p>Making Noble a class, not a background, is as utterly misguided as making "Peasant" or "Merchant" or "Guildsman" (in the sense of a craftsman) a class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7958921, member: 18"] Nonsense. 5E Fighters can absolutely have the skills they need, from a combination of backgrounds, class skills, and subclass skills and bonuses. Or Rogues, if you prefer. It feels to me that you don't understand how 5E works, because it's hard to understand what you're otherwise claiming. There's nothing about 5E Fighters that makes them any less "cultured" or "intelligent" than any other class. I have a noble fighter using the Samurai subclass in one of the groups I run RIGHT NOW, and because we rolled stats, his INT and CHA are pretty high. He has History, Persuasion, etc. and the Noble background (with the Position of Privilege feature). He's not from a Japanese-style culture, it's just that Samurai works quite well for this. As for "weaponmasters" and similar nonsense, explain to me exactly what [I]combat traits[/I] a 5E Noble class would have the a Swashbuckler subclass Rogue would not? Or equally a Fighter with a new specially created subclass. All classes, no exceptions, are good at combat in 5E. Hate on 5E for that if you want. Don't try and tell me it makes this the "wrong solution" though. Making Noble a class, not a background, is as utterly misguided as making "Peasant" or "Merchant" or "Guildsman" (in the sense of a craftsman) a class. [/QUOTE]
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