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<blockquote data-quote="Raloc" data-source="post: 3985224" data-attributes="member: 28093">Well put.&nbsp; I agree completely, except I'm not sure D&amp;D has anything to learn from WoW in regards killing stuff and taking its loot.&nbsp; I mean, the progression is like [Pre-D&amp;D precursor stuff]-&gt;D&amp;D-&gt;text adventures-&gt;MUDs(et al)-&gt;Everquest*-&gt;WoW.&nbsp; So really, WoW is essentially only what it inherited from D&amp;D in terms of mechanics, which is a watered down, bastardized version of such, basically stripped of all the things that make it truly interesting (e.g., unique items of the DM's design that can't be easily made into game models.... Also, things that are heavily plot related, like a sword that has a lich's phylactery in its hilt or something).* -&nbsp; The reason I have beef with WoW is that it's basically the mass market version of Everquest with a Warcraft skin.&nbsp; Most of the mechanics are essentially identical.&nbsp; There are some slight added touches like abilities that trigger differently and such, but it's essentially the same gameplay.&nbsp; Now my problem with this is that Everquest was literally meant to be a 3d MUD.&nbsp; Unfortunately, publishers have stupidly taken this to be the only viable type of MMOG.&nbsp; Thus the glut of MMOGs that are exactly like Everquest, even if it's totally inappropriate to the game type.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raloc, post: 3985224, member: 28093"] Well put. I agree completely, except I'm not sure D&D has anything to learn from WoW in regards killing stuff and taking its loot. I mean, the progression is like [Pre-D&D precursor stuff]->D&D->text adventures->MUDs(et al)->Everquest*->WoW. So really, WoW is essentially only what it inherited from D&D in terms of mechanics, which is a watered down, bastardized version of such, basically stripped of all the things that make it truly interesting (e.g., unique items of the DM's design that can't be easily made into game models.... Also, things that are heavily plot related, like a sword that has a lich's phylactery in its hilt or something). * - The reason I have beef with WoW is that it's basically the mass market version of Everquest with a Warcraft skin. Most of the mechanics are essentially identical. There are some slight added touches like abilities that trigger differently and such, but it's essentially the same gameplay. Now my problem with this is that Everquest was literally meant to be a 3d MUD. Unfortunately, publishers have stupidly taken this to be the only viable type of MMOG. Thus the glut of MMOGs that are exactly like Everquest, even if it's totally inappropriate to the game type. [/QUOTE]

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