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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6308957" data-attributes="member: 17106">You also know if you're playing a dirt farmer (which people do, apparently). Or any character who isn't going to jump out and adventure. Players often knowingly make characters that are less apt at combat or other adventure-relevant tasks, and I don't see the need to shoehorn them into being something they're not.But yes, sometimes people do leave. And then the game continues. Attrition does not mean that something is wrong, necessarily. Depending on who's leaving, it may be a fact of life, a sign of trouble, or weeding out the undesirables.True. But you can shift things a bit with culture and expectation towards, like I said, less of a sense of entitlement.Sending players on carefully crafted monty hauls creates one expectation. Crushing characters under your fists creates another. There's a balance there somewhere.I'm not saying they're advantaged over DMs. I'm saying they're advantaged over what they should be as players. If you as a player feel that your character is not going to die because an encounter surely must be within a certain challenge level, or that if you have a particular ability, the world around you is going to contrive to make it useful, that's a degree of entitlement that I don't support.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6308957, member: 17106"] You also know if you're playing a dirt farmer (which people do, apparently). Or any character who isn't going to jump out and adventure. Players often knowingly make characters that are less apt at combat or other adventure-relevant tasks, and I don't see the need to shoehorn them into being something they're not. But yes, sometimes people do leave. And then the game continues. Attrition does not mean that something is wrong, necessarily. Depending on who's leaving, it may be a fact of life, a sign of trouble, or weeding out the undesirables. True. But you can shift things a bit with culture and expectation towards, like I said, less of a sense of entitlement. Sending players on carefully crafted monty hauls creates one expectation. Crushing characters under your fists creates another. There's a balance there somewhere. I'm not saying they're advantaged over DMs. I'm saying they're advantaged over what they should be as players. If you as a player feel that your character is not going to die because an encounter surely must be within a certain challenge level, or that if you have a particular ability, the world around you is going to contrive to make it useful, that's a degree of entitlement that I don't support. [/QUOTE]

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