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<blockquote data-quote="VanRichten" data-source="post: 4335033" data-attributes="member: 63745">Ultimately since we are defining D&amp;D differently we have to consider are we mechanically defining it or are we defining the experience that is D&amp;D.Mechanically I agree with PJ.&nbsp; Because right now 4E just isn't it.&nbsp; 3.X did deviate a great deal from 2E but it did still keep a majority of what was still there.Now for the experience.&nbsp; Well that cannot be greatly defined.&nbsp; As all of the answers you will ever see can be felt playing Fantasy Hero, Palladium Fantasy, and other fantasy based games.4E was created by WoTC to tap into a community they wanted more influence over.&nbsp; TSR tried this when they created the 5th Age Dragonlance right when Magic: The Gathering was at its peak and was drawing players from D&amp;D.&nbsp; The unfortunate side effect of this that it was a failure for TSR. Whether you like 4E or not, whether you feel it is D&amp;D or not,&nbsp; The mechanics of it are completely different than has ever existed in D&amp;D before.&nbsp; Even though you can argue the experience is the same, so could have been argued by 5th Age Dragonlance, Palladium Fantasy, and Fantasy Hero.&nbsp; All of which can give you that feel.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="VanRichten, post: 4335033, member: 63745"] Ultimately since we are defining D&D differently we have to consider are we mechanically defining it or are we defining the experience that is D&D. Mechanically I agree with PJ. Because right now 4E just isn't it. 3.X did deviate a great deal from 2E but it did still keep a majority of what was still there. Now for the experience. Well that cannot be greatly defined. As all of the answers you will ever see can be felt playing Fantasy Hero, Palladium Fantasy, and other fantasy based games. 4E was created by WoTC to tap into a community they wanted more influence over. TSR tried this when they created the 5th Age Dragonlance right when Magic: The Gathering was at its peak and was drawing players from D&D. The unfortunate side effect of this that it was a failure for TSR. Whether you like 4E or not, whether you feel it is D&D or not, The mechanics of it are completely different than has ever existed in D&D before. Even though you can argue the experience is the same, so could have been argued by 5th Age Dragonlance, Palladium Fantasy, and Fantasy Hero. All of which can give you that feel. [/QUOTE]

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