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<blockquote data-quote="Dross" data-source="post: 5364803" data-attributes="member: 33802">If I'm reading things right, if a player says &quot;This is how my PC will act&quot;&nbsp; Elf Witch is wanting the Player to stay in&nbsp; character, even if it means making decisions that hinder the PC in some&nbsp; way. You are arguing it doesn't matter what the code is, the Player can do anything and it is still in character.There are things that good or Good will not do, whether defined by a&nbsp; code the player has set up or what the game sets up (alignment).&nbsp;&nbsp;So if the code* includes: will not torture prisoners under any circumstances whatsoever, no way, no how.&nbsp; Then if the player has his PC start torturing each and every prisoner&nbsp; (not a one off) this would be out of character. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is this that needs to be addressed by talking to the player. Its not playing to PCs established code&nbsp; that I get the impression that you are okay with.I would also argue that it is possible the PLAYER is lying by putting down LG when NE would be a better fit (and no I'm not discounting the possibility of a DM lying), and hiding behind the rules. I guess what I need to ask (after being long winded about things) is: Do you see any action for any PC being out of character? Can a LG (or an equivalent code) kill innocents like any CE (or equivalent code) and not be informed that this is out of character/not consistent by the DM. Does the player have any cause to cry: I'm being forced to play the way my DM wants me to play.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* The code is defined as &quot;This is how the PC will act, what it believes&nbsp; and will or will not do. The PC's actions will be based on these rules. It is not what the PC says is his image, but a part of the character itself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dross, post: 5364803, member: 33802"] If I'm reading things right, if a player says "This is how my PC will act" Elf Witch is wanting the Player to stay in character, even if it means making decisions that hinder the PC in some way. You are arguing it doesn't matter what the code is, the Player can do anything and it is still in character. There are things that good or Good will not do, whether defined by a code the player has set up or what the game sets up (alignment). So if the code* includes: will not torture prisoners under any circumstances whatsoever, no way, no how. Then if the player has his PC start torturing each and every prisoner (not a one off) this would be out of character. It is this that needs to be addressed by talking to the player. Its not playing to PCs established code that I get the impression that you are okay with. I would also argue that it is possible the PLAYER is lying by putting down LG when NE would be a better fit (and no I'm not discounting the possibility of a DM lying), and hiding behind the rules. I guess what I need to ask (after being long winded about things) is: Do you see any action for any PC being out of character? Can a LG (or an equivalent code) kill innocents like any CE (or equivalent code) and not be informed that this is out of character/not consistent by the DM. Does the player have any cause to cry: I'm being forced to play the way my DM wants me to play. * The code is defined as "This is how the PC will act, what it believes and will or will not do. The PC's actions will be based on these rules. It is not what the PC says is his [I]image[/I], but a part of the character itself. [/QUOTE]

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