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<blockquote data-quote="hamishspence" data-source="post: 5365232" data-attributes="member: 41555">Unless you're using BoVD and BoED- BoVD suggests that the truly sadistic- those who delight in inflicting suffering on others, are evil.&nbsp;And BoED is of the &quot;torture is always an evil act&quot; type.&nbsp;Fiendish Codex 2 also lists torture as always a corrupt act, and has &quot;inflicting indescribable torture&quot; as an act so evil as to be on a par with Murder For Pleasure.&nbsp;CG isn't about being more willing to do Evil deeds than LG- it's about being more willing to go against authority than LG.&nbsp;The character has two traits, both in immense strength- compassion toward the innocent (which is why he protects them and doesn't harm them) and hatred of the &quot;not innocent&quot;- defined by him as those who prey on the innocent.&nbsp;To him, no atrocity is too vile to inflict on them.And he knows that in the D&amp;D world, torturing the evildoer as punishment is evil- his attitude is &quot;then I'm evil and proud of it&quot;What makes him Lawful is his code.&nbsp;&nbsp;What makes him possibly nonevil is that he has no sadism- he is concerned with protecting the innocent from &quot;those who are evil&quot;. He never harms the innocent for profit, and never harms the innocent for fun.&nbsp;What makes him nongood- is that he is very, very, pragmatic. He is all &quot;needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few&quot; and &quot;to save innocents, sometimes other innocents must be sacrificed&quot; and so on.&nbsp;Not all &quot;sacrifices of the innocent&quot; count as murder- especially in war.&nbsp;And yes, they are pretty opposite in a certain way. &nbsp;Think of it as two principles &quot;Do not harm the innocent- ever&quot; and &quot;Do not commit evil deeds and enjoy them- ever&quot; &nbsp;The LN guy has chucked out &quot;Do not harm the innocent&quot;&nbsp;The LE guy has chucked out &quot;Do not do evil deeds and enjoy them&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hamishspence, post: 5365232, member: 41555"] Unless you're using BoVD and BoED- BoVD suggests that the truly sadistic- those who delight in inflicting suffering on others, are evil. And BoED is of the "torture is always an evil act" type. Fiendish Codex 2 also lists torture as always a corrupt act, and has "inflicting indescribable torture" as an act so evil as to be on a par with Murder For Pleasure. CG isn't about being more willing to do Evil deeds than LG- it's about being more willing to go against authority than LG. The character has two traits, both in immense strength- compassion toward the innocent (which is why he protects them and doesn't harm them) and hatred of the "not innocent"- defined by him as those who prey on the innocent. To him, no atrocity is too vile to inflict on them. And he knows that in the D&D world, torturing the evildoer as punishment is evil- his attitude is "then I'm evil and proud of it" What makes him Lawful is his code. What makes [I]him[/I] possibly nonevil is that he has no sadism- he is concerned with protecting the innocent from "those who are evil". He never harms the innocent for profit, and never harms the innocent for fun. What makes him nongood- is that he is very, very, pragmatic. He is all "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and "to save innocents, sometimes other innocents must be sacrificed" and so on. Not all "sacrifices of the innocent" count as murder- especially in war. And yes, they are pretty opposite in a certain way. Think of it as two principles "Do not harm the innocent- ever" and "Do not commit evil deeds and enjoy them- ever" The LN guy has chucked out "Do not harm the innocent" The LE guy has chucked out "Do not do evil deeds and enjoy them" [/QUOTE]

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