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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whisper72" data-source="post: 2831901" data-attributes="member: 17339">Well... I am not saying that _per se_ sense of wonder has been lost under the new system, merely that, with the plethora of ideas of others, there is less _need_  to do stuff yourself. This does not detract at all on all those who enjoy tinkering and inventing stuff from doing so under any system and any edition, but I am merely saying that people who would almost be 'forced' to get inventive under the old system, now no longer are.Some people like to have all the options, and quite frankly, as a DM I also mine them with great gusto, but precisely because the older DnD editions were lacking, there was more of a need for people to improvise, and thus, creativity was actually _stimulated_, where now, the creativity is much more dependant upon the effort the player or DM is willing and able to put into it. You are absolutely correct that the newer systems do not force anyone to do anything, actually quite the opposite. The _older_ systems, because of their 'faults' _did_ pertty much force people to be more creative and think for themselves.I happen to think that this was a 'good thing', which is naturally a pure matter of opinion.</blockquote>