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<blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4566415" data-attributes="member: 317">There was a lot, which is why we gave up 3.x after a few years.&nbsp; Some of the big problems my group had were:- Focus on mastery of the rules, rather than mastery of playing the game- Rules-opaqueness: I can't think of any session we played where we werent' referring to the books to clarify a rule at least 5+ times per game, and all of us knew the rules very well.&nbsp; Thats too much- the focus should be on playing, rather than fiddly bits with the rules.- Prestige Classes- WAAAY too many prereqs to qualify for them without planning from 1st level (and a secondary pet peeve of people planning their PC from level 1-20 before even starting to play the game)- Socerer class- I mean really, why?&nbsp; How are they so different from wizards?- Druid being a shapeshifting monster with a traveling zoo following him- Multiclassing- it was horrendously broken in 3.x- Stupidly powerful caster classes, stupidly weak non-casters- Iterative attacks- Buffing out the wazoo- ECL/LA- CR- VERY slow gameplay- Magic items needing XP to make- Treating monsters like characters in terms of statting-up.&nbsp; This resulted in a massive workload for the DM- At high levels (10+), the d20 roll became irrelevant because bonuses were high enough for auto success or failure.&nbsp; The underlying math was basically wonky.- Ability damage and having to recalculate everything when it happened- AoOs- Feats- a good idea, but badly implemented.&nbsp; 4e does a much better job with keeping feats managable without being cumbersome- Fast leveling- X-mas tree syndrome.&nbsp; Magic is fine in a D&amp;D game, but do we need this much?&nbsp; Stat boost items were especially annoying.- Domains- these pretty much insured every cleric was the same except for 2 spells.&nbsp; Spheres were MUCH better.- Dungeonpunk- REALLY craptacular art</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gothmog, post: 4566415, member: 317"] There was a lot, which is why we gave up 3.x after a few years. Some of the big problems my group had were: - Focus on mastery of the rules, rather than mastery of playing the game - Rules-opaqueness: I can't think of any session we played where we werent' referring to the books to clarify a rule at least 5+ times per game, and all of us knew the rules very well. Thats too much- the focus should be on playing, rather than fiddly bits with the rules. - Prestige Classes- WAAAY too many prereqs to qualify for them without planning from 1st level (and a secondary pet peeve of people planning their PC from level 1-20 before even starting to play the game) - Socerer class- I mean really, why? How are they so different from wizards? - Druid being a shapeshifting monster with a traveling zoo following him - Multiclassing- it was horrendously broken in 3.x - Stupidly powerful caster classes, stupidly weak non-casters - Iterative attacks - Buffing out the wazoo - ECL/LA - CR - VERY slow gameplay - Magic items needing XP to make - Treating monsters like characters in terms of statting-up. This resulted in a massive workload for the DM - At high levels (10+), the d20 roll became irrelevant because bonuses were high enough for auto success or failure. The underlying math was basically wonky. - Ability damage and having to recalculate everything when it happened - AoOs - Feats- a good idea, but badly implemented. 4e does a much better job with keeping feats managable without being cumbersome - Fast leveling - X-mas tree syndrome. Magic is fine in a D&D game, but do we need this much? Stat boost items were especially annoying. - Domains- these pretty much insured every cleric was the same except for 2 spells. Spheres were MUCH better. - Dungeonpunk - REALLY craptacular art [/QUOTE]

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