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<blockquote data-quote="joethelawyer" data-source="post: 4568607" data-attributes="member: 55764">i just never heard anyone complain about it before.&nbsp; read thru the 1 ed players hb and it specifically states that wizards start out weak but become the most powerful character class in the game at high level.&nbsp; nothing changed in that regard.&nbsp; why complain about it?&nbsp; they can still get killed fast with their low hp's if they dont play their character smartly.same thing with people complaining about save or die spells.&nbsp; so what?&nbsp; that was always the case in all editions.&nbsp; life sucks.&nbsp; someone might be able to kill you in real life in one second and there isn't anything you can do about it.&nbsp; same should be true for people who put themselves in dangerous situations in D&amp;D.&nbsp; especially for them.as for the 15 minute game day, if you have that going on in your game sessions, your dm sucks.&nbsp; he shouldn't let it be that way, especially if you layers dont want it that way.&nbsp; i have&nbsp; never experienced it.&nbsp; i have never had a dm who alowed it in any edition.&nbsp; he drains us down to the last blood vessel and memorized cantrip before we can rest.&nbsp; there are times where i am down to my last few spells and have to find some creative way to use them in order to affect the sitution at hand.&nbsp; thats the fun part.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="joethelawyer, post: 4568607, member: 55764"] i just never heard anyone complain about it before. read thru the 1 ed players hb and it specifically states that wizards start out weak but become the most powerful character class in the game at high level. nothing changed in that regard. why complain about it? they can still get killed fast with their low hp's if they dont play their character smartly. same thing with people complaining about save or die spells. so what? that was always the case in all editions. life sucks. someone might be able to kill you in real life in one second and there isn't anything you can do about it. same should be true for people who put themselves in dangerous situations in D&D. especially for them. as for the 15 minute game day, if you have that going on in your game sessions, your dm sucks. he shouldn't let it be that way, especially if you layers dont want it that way. i have never experienced it. i have never had a dm who alowed it in any edition. he drains us down to the last blood vessel and memorized cantrip before we can rest. there are times where i am down to my last few spells and have to find some creative way to use them in order to affect the sitution at hand. thats the fun part. [/QUOTE]

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