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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4569774" data-attributes="member: 7635">Actually Thas, I have a (sorta) working version of your theory.Old 2e game. The PCs.3 elf mages2 human fighter1 elf thief (me!)Guess how long it took the non-wizards to become irrelevant?If you said 9th level, congratulations. At 9th level, the thief was an heirloom PC; There was little I could do better than the mages except trapfinding. In combat, I never hit. In scouting, the wizards did a better job with invisibility. Monsters died quickly under a barrage of three casters, making the fighter's job pretty much &quot;keep monsters distracted 1 round&quot;. Oh, and they had good access to travel, trickery, and divination magic. Sure, we role-played. But I didn't need numbers for that. When dice came out though, the dominance of the casters shown supreme. (IIRC, this was Gary's experiences as well with Bigby, Tenser, and the mages of yore. The difference was the henchmen weren't run by other players. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 4569774, member: 7635"] Actually Thas, I have a (sorta) working version of your theory. Old 2e game. The PCs. 3 elf mages 2 human fighter 1 elf thief (me!) Guess how long it took the non-wizards to become irrelevant? If you said 9th level, congratulations. At 9th level, the thief was an heirloom PC; There was little I could do better than the mages except trapfinding. In combat, I never hit. In scouting, the wizards did a better job with invisibility. Monsters died quickly under a barrage of three casters, making the fighter's job pretty much "keep monsters distracted 1 round". Oh, and they had good access to travel, trickery, and divination magic. Sure, we role-played. But I didn't need numbers for that. When dice came out though, the dominance of the casters shown supreme. (IIRC, this was Gary's experiences as well with Bigby, Tenser, and the mages of yore. The difference was the henchmen weren't run by other players. :erm: ) [/QUOTE]

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