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<blockquote data-quote="Turtlejay" data-source="post: 4552476" data-attributes="member: 70267">If pathfinder is not going to make 3.5 substantively better then what is the point with their system?&nbsp; During the lull at the end of our 3.5 campaign and before we started our current 4e campaign we downloaded and perused the pathfinder beta content.&nbsp; It added quite a bit of complexity and powered up the core races and classes. . .and kind of made it difficult to use all that super 3.5 content without some tweaking, DM permission, etc.&nbsp; So. . .if you like using only their stuff, fine, but if you liked 3.5 and were looking for some good fixes you could bring into your 3.5 game, you had to leave that other stuff out, or alter it, and who wants to commit to a system with that comes with that baggage and homework?I like/liked 3.5 a whole lot.&nbsp; I like 4e a whole lot.&nbsp; I would like Pathfinder a whole lot if it added to 3.5 and addressed the problems while not being wholly incompatible with 3.5.&nbsp; The above mentioned limits on buff spells is a good example.&nbsp; It does not break earlier material but it fixes a substantive problem that others have pointed out.&nbsp; Adding even more mechanics soured me a bit.Granted, as a 4e adopter I am not necessarily their target audience.Jay</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Turtlejay, post: 4552476, member: 70267"] If pathfinder is not going to make 3.5 substantively better then what is the point with their system? During the lull at the end of our 3.5 campaign and before we started our current 4e campaign we downloaded and perused the pathfinder beta content. It added quite a bit of complexity and powered up the core races and classes. . .and kind of made it difficult to use all that super 3.5 content without some tweaking, DM permission, etc. So. . .if you like using only their stuff, fine, but if you liked 3.5 and were looking for some good fixes you could bring into your 3.5 game, you had to leave that other stuff out, or alter it, and who wants to commit to a system with that comes with that baggage and homework? I like/liked 3.5 a whole lot. I like 4e a whole lot. I would like Pathfinder a whole lot if it added to 3.5 and addressed the problems while not being wholly incompatible with 3.5. The above mentioned limits on buff spells is a good example. It does not break earlier material but it fixes a substantive problem that others have pointed out. Adding even more mechanics soured me a bit. Granted, as a 4e adopter I am not necessarily their target audience. Jay [/QUOTE]

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