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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4557878" data-attributes="member: 710">What's wrong with them? What is the advantage of using types as base? Or are you looking at a third option? (Maybe something more &quot;shapeable&quot; like a 3E Fighter or Rogue or Wizard. A certain mechanical focus but a variety of directions, focusing on damage dealing, defense, area effects, illusions or-what-you-have)? I think using types is ... flawed. Why should all Outsiders be good warriors (BAB = HD) - what if an Outsider focuses on spellcasting? Where did he &quot;learn&quot; or &quot;evolve&quot; that BAB? Why shouldn't a hunting animal not have a high BAB?Using Roles (determine what they focus on in combat) works pretty well from a pure combat balance perspective. Basically it's a &quot;what does this monster do in combat&quot;But one could also ask &quot;how&quot; monsters do whatever they do - do they use spells? Do they use weapons? Do they mix both? That is at least closest to what 3E classes work, and I think whatever concept you use to define classes should also be used to define monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4557878, member: 710"] What's wrong with them? What is the advantage of using types as base? Or are you looking at a third option? (Maybe something more "shapeable" like a 3E Fighter or Rogue or Wizard. A certain mechanical focus but a variety of directions, focusing on damage dealing, defense, area effects, illusions or-what-you-have)? I think using types is ... flawed. Why should all Outsiders be good warriors (BAB = HD) - what if an Outsider focuses on spellcasting? Where did he "learn" or "evolve" that BAB? Why shouldn't a hunting animal not have a high BAB? Using Roles (determine what they focus on in combat) works pretty well from a pure combat balance perspective. Basically it's a "what does this monster do in combat" But one could also ask "how" monsters do whatever they do - do they use spells? Do they use weapons? Do they mix both? That is at least closest to what 3E classes work, and I think whatever concept you use to define classes should also be used to define monsters. [/QUOTE]

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