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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4930316" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, I just looked up those rules last night in the 2E DMG and creating scrolls was pretty easy. Plus, Mages could research spells if they wanted, even spells that were already in the PHB.3E came out almost a decade ago. I think you might be misremembering, either that or your 2E DM was a lot more strict than the core rules.Err, no.How often will the Wizard fly 4000 feet away from the party? Almost never.Yes, he has the option. But the point is that the Sorcerer will use the lower level power over a hundred times (10 encounters per level * 14 levels) before the Wizard uses his power once, and many of those times, an ally of the Sorcerer will also get to fly.Even over 30 levels, the number of fly rounds by the Sorcerer will crush the number of fly rounds of the Wizard.Yup, the Fly spell does give the Wizard a big fly once a day for half of his levels. That's minor in the large scheme of things. He will also most likely be using his Fly most days in combat as opposed to out of combat where his number of rounds of flight per day is pretty close to equal to that of the Sorcerer. Sure, the Wizard can fly for an entire encounter at level 16, but for the other 3 or more encounters that day, the Sorcerer can fly and the Wizard cannot.The Sorcerer has a lot more utility because the Sorcerer will use the power in over a hundred different situations where the Wizard sits there and twiddles his thumbs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4930316, member: 2011"] Actually, I just looked up those rules last night in the 2E DMG and creating scrolls was pretty easy. Plus, Mages could research spells if they wanted, even spells that were already in the PHB. 3E came out almost a decade ago. I think you might be misremembering, either that or your 2E DM was a lot more strict than the core rules. Err, no. How often will the Wizard fly 4000 feet away from the party? Almost never. Yes, he has the option. But the point is that the Sorcerer will use the lower level power over a hundred times (10 encounters per level * 14 levels) before the Wizard uses his power once, and many of those times, an ally of the Sorcerer will also get to fly. Even over 30 levels, the number of fly rounds by the Sorcerer will crush the number of fly rounds of the Wizard. Yup, the Fly spell does give the Wizard a big fly once a day for half of his levels. That's minor in the large scheme of things. He will also most likely be using his Fly most days in combat as opposed to out of combat where his number of rounds of flight per day is pretty close to equal to that of the Sorcerer. Sure, the Wizard can fly for an entire encounter at level 16, but for the other 3 or more encounters that day, the Sorcerer can fly and the Wizard cannot. The Sorcerer has a lot more utility because the Sorcerer will use the power in over a hundred different situations where the Wizard sits there and twiddles his thumbs. [/QUOTE]

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