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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4930530" data-attributes="member: 43019">... but at the end of the day trying to compare Sorcerous Sirocco to Fly is near meaningless. Action type. Duration. Frequency. Level. Type of things it'll get you around. Even more meaningless than trying to compare Dazzling Ray to Visions of Avarice, and I'd find it fairly silly to do _that_, given their completely different goals.5e, when it happens, should not be about changing one class, the wizard. It should be about fundamental changes in concept. I do agree that it'd be nice if there were certain rituals you could do very quickly, and ways to make those rituals able to happen in a combat - possibly at great expense, but at least an option. Tenser's Floating Disc at 1 minute cast time, with the ability to make it standard action with a feat or scroll? Sure.At any rate, I've had Sorcerous Sirocco - you don't use it to cross pits, not unless maybe you only have 2 people in your group. You just jump them, or rope them, or put a piece of wood across them. But resting 5-15 minutes at every obstacle? No need. I did find it tremendously useful for getting a fighter type out of a bottleneck up to base a ranged attacker on a catwalk. I did find it very useful for getting myself and another to a more advantageous location so that both of us weren't losing our action, just me. And I also find myself not using it in several encounters.I thought about using it some other times, but on examination, it wasn't a good idea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 4930530, member: 43019"] ... but at the end of the day trying to compare Sorcerous Sirocco to Fly is near meaningless. Action type. Duration. Frequency. Level. Type of things it'll get you around. Even more meaningless than trying to compare Dazzling Ray to Visions of Avarice, and I'd find it fairly silly to do _that_, given their completely different goals. 5e, when it happens, should not be about changing one class, the wizard. It should be about fundamental changes in concept. I do agree that it'd be nice if there were certain rituals you could do very quickly, and ways to make those rituals able to happen in a combat - possibly at great expense, but at least an option. Tenser's Floating Disc at 1 minute cast time, with the ability to make it standard action with a feat or scroll? Sure. At any rate, I've had Sorcerous Sirocco - you don't use it to cross pits, not unless maybe you only have 2 people in your group. You just jump them, or rope them, or put a piece of wood across them. But resting 5-15 minutes at every obstacle? No need. I did find it tremendously useful for getting a fighter type out of a bottleneck up to base a ranged attacker on a catwalk. I did find it very useful for getting myself and another to a more advantageous location so that both of us weren't losing our action, just me. And I also find myself not using it in several encounters. I thought about using it some other times, but on examination, it wasn't a good idea. [/QUOTE]

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